O’Reilly facing $10,000 put up or shut up

Ministry puts dollars on the line in ‘gay marriage’ debate

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A ministry is putting up $10,000 to challenge Fox News host Bill O’Reilly, regularly the top-rated show on cable television, for a debate over his description of Christians who follow the Bible as, well, “Bible-thumpers.”

Rev. Bill Keller, whose has created the Live Prayer presence on the web, and previously has been a guest on Fox shows such as O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and Neal Cavuto, told WND he’s putting up $10,000 and challenging O’Reilly to do the same.

 Then there would be a six-minute debate over homosexual “marriage” on O’Reilly’s show – O’Reilly talking for three minutes, then Keller making the biblical argument against homosexual “marriage” for three minutes.

O’Reilly’s audience would determine the winner and the sum would go to a charity of that person’s choice.

“O’Reilly says that those who support God’s plan for marriage lose the argument because all they can do is ‘thump the Bible.’ Let him put his money where his mouth is. We will each put up $10,000 to the charity of our choice, he can make his case for gay marriage, and I will ONLY use the Bible to make the case for traditional marriage,” Keller said.

O’Reilly had originally said on his own program,””The compelling argument is on the side of homosexuals. That’s where the compelling argument is. ‘We’re Americans. We just want to be treated like everybody else.’ That is a compelling argument, and to deny that, you gotta have a very strong argument on the other side. And the other side hasn’t been able to do anything but thump the Bible.”

He’s been busy defending it ever since, saying on Laura Ingraham’s show: “There are Bible thumpers, and all they do is say, ‘I object to gay marriage ’cause God objects to it. You don’t win a policy debate in America with that.’”

“If you’re going to stand up for heterosexual marriage and exclude gay marriage, if you’re going to do that, you’ve got to do it outside the Bible. You can’t cite the bible, ’cause you’ll lose if you do it.”

Multiple WND requests to O’Reilly for a comment did not produce any response, and Keller also reported to WND he had not heard from O’Reilly.

But Keller told WND he’s been watching O’Reilly in recent shows, and said the Fox star has been defending himself over and over.

He said “Bible-thumper” is a pejorative “used to mock and demean Christians who believe the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God representing absolute truth and our final authority…”

He compared it to using the N-word to describe a black.

“He would have been much better served if he had just apologized,” Keller said. But he cited O’Reilly’s “mix of liberal Catholicism, new age mysticism and secular gobbedly-gook” for his defense of the comment.

He noted that O’Really just a few days earlier had described the Bible as allegorical, or a bunch of stories.

Keller said he is so confident that he will prevail, he is not only willing to debate O’Reilly on his own turf, but let O’Reilly’s audience vote over 24 hours to determine the winner.

“Bill has no clue how he has demeaned Christians with his elitist ‘Bible-thumper’ remark, and has even doubled down in recent days. If he is so sure, of himself it will be an easy $10,000 for the charity of his choice. Let him put his money where his mouth is, or he is no different than the gutless wonders on MSNBC who will never take on those who stand for biblical truth on the issues of the day!”

Keller’s Liveprayer.com has more than 20,000 daily visitors and there now are more than 2.5 million who have subscribed to his daily devotional.

At the RedState.com blog, there was the following:  “The cockalorum – the Strident Conservative Word of the Day – of ‘the most-watched program in all of cable news’ marginalized the opinion of nearly every Christian in America concerning their opposition to homosexual ‘marriage.

“After being called on his statement by Rush Limbaugh, Bill tried to back-pedal his ‘foot-in-mouth’ comment in an interview with Laura Ingraham. In typical O’Reilly fashion, he refused to admit his error and ended up attacking her. In doing so, Bill – is it a coincidence that Bill and bloviating-blowhard all start with the letter B? – just kept digging the hole deeper . . . and deeper . . . and deeper.”

The blog continued, “Apparently, Bill thinks that it’s OK for Christians to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes. They just need to keep their religion behind closed doors and out of the public square. You know, like they used to say about homosexuality.

“And for the record, O’Reilly is being inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst. For instance, O’Reilly claims to oppose most abortions. What is his basis for this public policy position? It can’t be based on ‘thou shalt not kill.’ That would mean he’s taking a position based on the Bible and we all know that O’Reilly will have none of that.”

The commentary noted, “As many of you know, Bill O’Reilly is a former history teacher. Perhaps he missed the fact that many of the Founding Fathers not only found it acceptable to base policies on the Bible . . . they considered it vital…”

It attributed to Andrew Jackson the statement, “That Book, sir, is the rock on which our Republic rests,” and to Benjamin Harrison, “If you take out of your statutes, your constitution, your family life all that is taken from the Sacred Book, what would there be left to bind society together?”

And Bryan Fischer, host of the daily “Focal Point” radio program on American Family Radio, a division of American Family Association, said the issue isn’t complicated.

“God clearly defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman in Genesis 2, and Jesus reaffirmed God’s definition verbatim in Matthew 19, which means, of course, that man-woman marriage is as much a part of the gospel itself as heaven and hell. What God and Jesus Christ have defined, man must not redefine.

“But O’Reilly obviously hasn’t been paying attention, since supporters of natural marriage have not only cited Scripture but the best in social research, history and legal thinking to make the case that marriage ought to be defined exclusively as a one-man-one-woman institution. So O’Reilly is betraying his own blinding ignorance here while at the same time mocking the very Americans he hopes will watch his program.

“Well, Mr. O’Reilly, we are going to go right on clinging to our Bibles and our religion whether gasbags in the media approve or not.”

He noted researchers have found that one-third of all sources cited by the Founders, according to “American Political Science Review,” were biblical references.

“So Bill, go right ahead and keep pounding your chest. We’ll go right ahead and keep thumping our Bibles. Just like the Founders.”

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Hey, Bible-Thumping Is All They Have Left!

By Amanda Marcotte
Thursday, April 4, 2013

If you haven’t been following the battle between Bill O’Reilly and the rest of the right over the question of whether or not anti-same-sex marriage folks should stop thumping the Bible, you’re in for a treat. Will Saletan describes it here, but in sum, O’Reilly chastised anti-gay activists for advancing really poor “because I said God said so” arguments. Specifically, he said:

The compelling argument is on the side of homosexuals: … ‘We’re Americans. We just want to be treated like everybody else.’ That’s a compelling argument. And to deny that, you’ve got to have a very strong argument on the other side. And the other side hasn’t been able to do anything but thump the Bible.

The ritualized outrage was predictable. Rush Limbaugh wailed and moaned. Other right wing talk thugs followed. Laura Inagraham tried to make the peace, and I’ll let Saletan describe that:

The sniping and smearing finally got to O’Reilly. Last night, he invited fellow talker Laura Ingraham onto his show to hash it out. “When you say you can’t cite the Bible,” she told him, “that’s disrespectful to people who really try to live their lives according to the Bible.” O’Reilly replied that it’s fine to live your life that way—you just can’t cite Scripture to settle policy disputes. Ingraham asked O’Reilly why he had used the word “thump.” He answered that he classifies people as Bible thumpers when “all they do is say, ‘I object to gay marriage because God objects to it.’ ”

Saletan explains to the right the problems with appealing to authority, but really, he needn’t bother. As much as they may squeal bloody murder about this, they know that O’Reilly is right. By and large, the opponents of gay rights have tried to keep their arguments secular. Canvassers supporting Prop 8 were specifically instructed to only trot out the “God said so” line after carefully trying to tease out the voter’s religious beliefs. They know people don’t like having a bunch of pissy Christians lecture them on how God sees marriage as a duty and not as something you do for yourself. They really did try to come up with secular arguments: That marriage is “for” procreation, that some ill-defined horrible thing would happen if same-sex marriage is legalized, and that same-sex marriage would somehow ruin it for straight people. All those arguments were swiftly dismantled by supporters of same-sex marriage.

“God said so” is what comes out of them when they’re under fire and they have no arguments left. It’s may be how they rationalize their bigotry to themselves, but they really do know better than to play that hand first in public. It’s a reaction born out of frustration, nothing more. So when O’Reilly attacks it, I imagine that they feel like he’s trying to take away the only thing they have left. Thus, the lashing out and freaking out at him for saying something they already know is true and already agree with.

Not that I have anything but warm feelings about this. It’s good to see conservatives turn on each other because they feel themselves losing the argument.

Commentary By Gordon King:
After hearing Mr. O’Reilly’s arguments against Christian views on Gay marriage, I just had to make some comments of my own.  I used to like Bill O’Reilly before he started moving to the left.  Over the years it seems that he has become more accepting and even agreeing with the liberal media.

I am outraged by his comments labeling Christians as “Bible Thumpers” with no argument but the Bible!  This is such an injustice it infuriates me!  Take for example the Muslims and their Islamic faith.  They use the Koran to kill people in the name of Allah, persecute non-believers of Allah, use the Koran for all of their arguments including the defense for instituting “Sharia Law”!  Where is the outcry against this!!!   Why wont anyone stand up against them and shout STOP?!  The Muslims are pretty much free to do whatever they wish in the name of Allah and the Koran.  The world seems to accept this as written law and as a just argument.  Most of the world is afraid to speak out against them.  So they let it all happen.  They even support them.  Where is the outcry from our President and other world leaders?  Why is he not speaking out against the heinous crimes and philosophies of this evil religion?

Yet, when moral, decent, peace loving, God loving and fearing Christians use the bible as their reference for moral issues they are denigrated and labeled as “Bible Thumpers”.  Without an argument or viable reason to support their beliefs.  I saw HOGWASH!  All of the good, moral and ethical laws of our country are written directly from biblical scripture.  In my opinion, this is another persecution of Christians and a stand against God Almighty.  There will come a day when these people will bow down before Jesus and have to answer for their rebellion.  Praise God!!!

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Rush defends ‘Bible thumpers’ from Bill O’Reilly

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This week’s Supreme Court “gay marriage” case is pitting pundit against pundit. After Bill O’Reilly referred to same-sex marriage opponents as “Bible thumpers,” Rush Limbaugh went on the defensive.

Comparing O’Reilly to Ted Baxter, the vain, unpopular anchorman on the old “Mary Tyler Moore Show,” Limbaugh accused the Fox News host of “marginalizing” a good portion of his own audience.

Then Rush blasted another TV commentator, this time MSNBC’s Toure, who Rush said had “smeared” Dr. Ben Carson (FREE audio).

Toure, Limbaugh said, “is a classic example of somebody who is dangerous precisely because of what he thinks he knows that isn’t right, and he took it upon himself to try to destroy Dr. Ben Carson. He did it in a vile, almost uncivilized manner. The things that he said about Ben Carson were just filthy. They were despicable. It was worse than calling him an Uncle Tom.”

Michael Savage

Unlike many in the media, Dr. Savage devoted considerable time to this week’s celebrations of Easter and Passover (FREE audio).

He’s certain that “God can’t believe what’s happened to this country on so many levels. Violence. Pornography. Drugs. And here we are talking about something as trivial as gay marriage.”

Then he offered his own interpretation of the story of Passover: “We are all slaves to our own addictions, wants and lusts. Those are our Egypts. We are in the Egypt of our addictions. We are both the slaves and the slave masters … The Seder is a time to remember that we are all enslaved by ourselves, and we’re supposed to free ourselves.”

Mark Levin

Like Limbaugh, Mark Levin was furious with Bill O’Reilly for dismissing gay marriage opponents as “Bible thumpers” (FREE audio).

“You’re a practicing Catholic,” Levin said of the Fox News host. “Have you heard what your priests have to say, all the way up to the pope? … You sound like Obama with your ‘clinging to your guns and Bible’ line.”

As a constitutional lawyer, Levin is ideally suited to the task of analyzing the Supreme Court case (FREE audio).

He noted that this unelected Court is once again imposing its political will on the rest of America, instead of waiting for citizens to come to a consensus about what direction society should take.

Aaron Klein

As a resident of Israel, Aaron Klein is in the perfect position to provide the most accurate analysis of the president’s recent trip there.

Klein also reveals his latest findings on government surveillance and corruption, all being funded by American tax dollars.

His guests include a forensic analyst who claims to have startling revelations about Obama’s life, and veteran comedian Jackie Mason, who had plenty to say about the president’s trip, as well as about immigration reform and amnesty for illegals (FREE audio).

Laura Ingraham

“Stand tall on marriage.”

That was the advice Dr. John Eastman offered Laura and her listeners this week. The Chairman of the National Organization for Marriage contends that the definition of marriage should not be expanded to gay couples because “homosexual couples cannot procreate” (FREE audio).

Eastman added, “If people demonstrate courage and stand up to the fact that kids are better off with a mom and a dad, then ultimately we’ll be victorious on this issue.”

Glenn Beck

Beck’s audience is set to grow, now that he’s struck a deal with SiriusXM satellite radio.

Hourly updates courtesy of his TheBlaze Radio News have just begun airing on the SiriusXM “Patriot” channel 125. At the same time, channel 778 will become TheBlaze Radio Network, airing The Glenn Beck Program as well as shows by Jay Severin and other hosts.

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