Some say that the Rapture isn’t even in the Bible!

Commentary By:  Gordon King

(Revised 5/30/20 from: “Enoch and Elijah, both taken by God, both raptured, neither one died, but both ascended into heaven!” to “Enoch and Elijah, both taken by God, both raptured, neither one died, but both were taken up to heaven!”)

I’ve heard it said time and time again that the word “rapture” isn’t even written in the bible, that the rapture of the church is just a man-made concept.  These people often use this as a reason to doubt that the bible is even the truth.  

Actually, if you look in the bible written in Latin then the word “rapture” most definitely is written in the bible!

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

The English translation is “shall be caught up”, in the original Greek the word used was harpagēsometha or “harpazo”.   This Greek word translated into Latin is the word “rapiemur”, translated into English: “rapture”!   This is where the word rapture comes from, and it is most definitely in the bible just not written in English!

We cannot merely read the bible in English and say that something is not true just because it isn’t written in English, that’s being arrogant at best!  There are times when we must search and study further for a more detailed explanation.  This my friends is what it means to be a Berean!  The bible was not originally written in English my friends, not in English!

Many people both secular and Christians don’t believe in the rapture of the church, they say that it isn’t written in the bible, they go as far as to say that it is a concept which was developed during the 19th century.  Really?!  If that’s the truth then why did the apostles even mention it?

The apostle Paul wrote about the rapture of the church two thousand years ago, not only in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, but also in the book of 1 Corinthians, he tells us a mystery.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

The apostle Paul tells us that we shall not all sleep, meaning that not all of us will die, but that we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

Paul is reiterating what he told the church at Thessalonica, that we will be changed and made incorruptible, he is speaking about those who are a part of the church, and he is referring to the rapture in both instances!

Another thing that many Christians get caught up on is “the last trumpet”.  There are many trumpets spoken of in the bible, they are not all one and the same my friends, not one and the same!  Many believe that this last trumpet is the last trumpet of the judgments in the book of Revelation, however I strongly disagree.  These trumpets are a part of God’s judgment upon the world, and as believers in Jesus Christ we are not appointed to wrath or God’s judgment upon the world!

No, I believe that this last trumpet spoken of by the apostle Paul is actually the voice of God Himself!  The first trumpet of God is spoken of in the book of Exodus.

Exodus 19:19

“And when the blast of the trumpet sounded long and became louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him by voice.”

This is no ordinary trumpet but what I believe is the voice of God!

The old testament prophet Zechariah also spoke of the trumpet of God.

Zechariah 9:14

“Then the Lord will be seen over them,
And His arrow will go forth like lightning.
The Lord God will blow the trumpet,
And go with whirlwinds from the south.”

The apostle John also spoke of the trumpet of God in Revelation 4:1, saying that he heard a voice like a trumpet speaking to him.

Revelation 4:1

‘After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” ‘

I believe that this verse is speaking of John being caught up to heaven, a symbol of the rapture of the church, and that this trumpet is the voice of God Himself!  The same trumpet that was spoken of in the book of Exodus, Zechariah, 1 Thessalonians, and 1 Corinthians, all one and the same trumpet, the voice of God!

Another very important thing that most people overlook is that the seven trumpets in the book of Revelation beginning in chapter 8 are sounded by angels and not God!   This is very, very important, yet overlooked by many if not most people including Christians!

The book of 1 Thessalonians tells us that this trumpet is the trumpet of God, chapter 4 verse 1 of Revelation tells us that the voice like a trumpet told him to come up here and He will show him things which must take place.  Who is it that is revealing these things to the apostle John anyway?  It’s none other than Jesus Christ Himself, God!

In the first chapter of the book of Revelation John says that God’s voice was as a “trumpet”!

Revelation 1:10-11

‘I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.” ‘

My point is that we are not to mix up the trumpets in the bible, they are there for specific reasons, and God’s voice is in fact like a trumpet, at least in several different occasions.

It’s God who is calling us up at the rapture of the church!  It is God’s voice speaking to the apostle John telling him to come up here, what I believe represents the rapture of the church.  And if this is so, which I believe with all of my heart that it is, then the rapture is also pre-Tribulation!

Jesus even tells us that those who hear His voice follow Him, and when He calls out for us to come up with His voice, with the trumpet of God, we shall be changed, in the twinkling of an eye!

John 10:3-4

To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.”

The rapture is real, it will happen, and we even have instances in the bible of others being raptured before us.  Enoch and Elijah, both taken by God, both raptured, neither one died, but both were taken up to heaven!

God bless my friends!  Maranatha!

27 thoughts on “Some say that the Rapture isn’t even in the Bible!

  1. In your last paragraph you say that Enoch and Elijah ascended to heaven. Please read John 3:13.

  2. Thanks for your comment Milargosteve!

    The bible tells us that Enoch was taken up by God, where is up but in the heavens?
    Hebrews 11:5
    “By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.”

    The bible also tells us that Elijah was taken up to heaven by a whirlwind.
    2 Kings 2:11
    “Then it came about as they were going along and talking, that behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven.”

    The bible also tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
    2 Corinthians 5:6-8
    “So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.”

    So the bible tells us that Elijah was taken to heaven! And when we as believers are absent from the body then we are present with the Lord, and where is the Lord but in heaven?

    So I believe that people do go up to heaven and that it is not a contradiction of John 3:13. Perhaps it is the way they went to heaven? Perhaps it is not that they ascended into heaven but rather they were taken up to heaven? Is there a difference between ascending and being taken? I shall revise my post to read “were taken up” to heaven. Thank you!

    God bless! Maranatha!

  3. The greek word used in Hebrews 11:5 “metatheseos ” does not carry any sense of being “taken up” but merely translated or transferred. That is why many Bible translations do not render it that way. ie: KJV, ASV, Byington, NWT and others. Many Jewish scholars agree that this means Enoch was translated or transferred to death in a merciful and peaceful way by Jehovah rather than letting him being violently murdered by the wicked around him.
    Although 2 Kings 2 :11 does say that Elijah was “taken up” or “ascended into the windstorm ” that does not mean he went to the heavenly abode of Jehovah and Jesus. He waa is still living as a human and later writes a letter to King Jehoram. He had been merely transfered to another place. 2Chronicles 21:12-15.
    Helpful references to understand John 3: 13 are Acts 2: 34 and Hebrews 9: 8.

  4. There is no sense of “taken up” in the greek word “metatheseos” used here in Hebrews 11:5. Other translations render the word as “transferred ” or “translated”. KJV, ASV, Byington, NWT. Jewish scholars agree that this means Enoch was peacefully transferred from life to death by God instead of letting him be murdered by the wicked around him.
    2Kings 2:11 doesn’t say that Elijah went to “heaven” as the abode of Jehovah and Jesus. He was miraculously caught up in the storm and transferred to another place where he continued living as a person and prophet of God as is evidenced by his writing a letter to King Jehoram many years later.
    To help you better understand John 3:13, please see Acts 2:34 and Hebrews 9:8. Agape.

  5. Thanks for your comment Milargosteve!

    I disagree with you my friend. You cannot make an assumption that God translated Enoch to death and then left his spirit and soul with it or some place without God, that makes no sense whatsoever. Scripture tells us that Enoch lived 365 years, and walked with God 300 years (Genesis 5:21-24) “And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.” If God took him, where did he take him? If Enoch were that special to God then why would God separate Himself from Enoch after He took him?

    You also say that Elijah was not taken up to heaven, once again I totally disagree with you! You make an assumption that because a letter was written by Elijah and that it was given to king Jehoram, and that the book of 2 Kings is in the bible before 2 Chronicles, that Elijah must not have been taken to heaven. But perhaps these events are not in the right chronological order, perhaps Elijah wasn’t taken up to heaven at that point, or perhaps Elijah had written the letter before his departure, after all, he was a prophet of God Almighty! The bible clearly states that Elijah was taken up or went up into heaven.

    God bless! Maranatha!

  6. Thanks for your comment Milargosteve!

    I suppose that you don’t believe in the “rapture of the church” either.

    God bless! Maranatha!

  7. My Brother King. I apologize if I have upset you in any way. That was not my intent in my reaching out. My site is worldbibletruth.wordpress.com . In the site pages an article entitled: What happens when we die? , answers what the Bible teaches about those who go to heaven. If after reading it you have further questions I am here for you. Your Brother, Steve McClanahan Agape!

  8. Thanks for your comment Milargosteve!

    You did not upset me Steve, however, it seems that you are trying to make some points without being upfront about them. For instance, instead of attempting to correct me on a quote without first telling me what it is that you believe (ie, no one has ever gone to heaven but Jesus, or no one has ever been raptured into heaven, or no one will ever be raptured into heaven). My question to you is: What is your denomination? What faith do you belong to? If I knew then it would more than likely clear a lot of things up. Of course not all of us will agree on all things, I understand that. Why don’t you have a statement of faith on your blog? You do a lot of writing about the bible but do not tell anyone where it is that you are coming from.

    Actually, your questioning me causes me to become even stronger in my beliefs and faith!

    God bless! Maranatha! Gordon

  9. What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me. If anyone desires to do His will, he will know whether the teaching is from God, or I speak of my own originality.

  10. Thanks for your comment Milargosteve!

    Sounds like you plagarized Jesus with a twist. You said a mouthful when you said that you speak of your own originality. Why are you so afraid of telling me just what faith you belong to, what your true beliefs are of Jesus and the bible? Why do you not post it on your website? Seems a little deceptive to me. I clearly state what I believe about God and the bible on my mission page, I have no denomination, I am a child of God Almighty and I am not afraid to say it! I believe in the Trinity of God, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, and if someone asks me what I believe then I will tell them, I will not hide it.

  11. Milargosteve,

    I have asked you several times now what your beliefs of Jesus and the bible are, of what denomination or faith are you, but you have ignored my questions and have not answered them. How do you expect me to believe anything that you say if you are afraid to tell me the truth about who you are? How can I take anything that you say seriously, how do I know that you are not out to deceive?!

    2 Cor 11:13-14
    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.”

    You believe in and worship Jesus as God’s Son but not as God Himself, I believe and worship Jesus as the Son and as God, two very different things, two things which separate us from worshiping the same God! That’s how vital and important this is, we don’t worship the same God.

    The Jews put Jesus to death because Jesus made claims of being God, this is why they had Him crucified on the cross. Yet the apostles knew different, they knew who Jesus really is! This is why they died horrible deaths, it wasn’t because Jesus was merely a righteous man, but because they believed and taught that Jesus Christ is God!

  12. I did not ignore your question. I told you if you read an article I had written you would get your answer. Every article I write ends with “to get more information please visit JW.org. Did you not see that?

  13. Thanks for your comment Milargosteve!

    Since you seem to be afraid to tell me who it is that you really are and who it is that you really worship I did some searching on your website. I noticed at the end of each post you tell people to visit the Jehovah’s Witness website. Why couldn’t you just be upfront and honest with me in the first place? Why the deception? I had a strong sense that you were a Jehovah’s Witness by what you were saying.

    How could you believe the truth when you’ve created your own bible?! You are not a Christian at all, you are a Jehovah’s Witness! Now it all makes perfect sense! You said that you are my brother, but we are not brothers since you do not worship Jesus Christ as God!

    I pray that the good Lord Jesus Christ opens your heart and your eyes to the truth Steve! I pray that you come to repentance and salvation through Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior! Amen

    God bless Steve!

  14. Milargosteve,

    You actually did ignore it, why were you afraid to just come out and say it, as if you are hiding something? You are playing games instead of being honest and truthful! And BTW, you said to read an article that you posted about what happens when we die.

    “What happens when we die? , answers what the Bible teaches about those who go to heaven.”

    You didn’t say that it will answer the question as to your faith!

  15. I have never plagerized anything. I directly quoted Jesus’ words found at John 7:16. What do think it means when Jesus says, ” the teaching is not mine”? What do you think it means when Jesus says that he is the “only begotten Son of God”? John 3:16 What do you think it means when Jesus prays to the Father in front of the crowd gathered when Lazarus died and Jesus gave the credit for the power of the resurrection to his Father? John 11: 41,42 What do you think it means when Jesus calls the Father “my God”? John 20:17 What do the words of Jesus’ last prayer with his apostles recorded at John 17:3 ,”This means everlasting life their coming to know YOU, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whomYOU sent Jesus Christ”? Or verse 6 where Jesus says, “I have made YOUR name (Jehovah) manifest to the men YOU gave me out of the world. They were YOURS and YOU gave them to me, and they have observed YOUR word.”? You believe what you believe because you do not listen to Jesus. The truth of the Bible is not under debate. If you won’t even listen to Jesus it is no surprise that you will not listen to me. The truth is Jesus died and God cannot die. The truth is God, the Father, Jehovah resurrected him. He didn’t resurrect himself. I am so sorry that the truth is so hard for you. But I will continue to pray for you in the name Jesus to Jehovah just as Jesus taught me to do.

  16. Milargosteve,

    It is what it is Steve. I will not spend any more time arguing with you. I’ve given plenty of proof from scriptures stating that Jesus Christ is in fact God! You choose to ignore that just as you have chosen to ignore my questions. And BTW you quoted Jesus as if they were your own words!

    God bless!

  17. I read your post, not one I would particularly challenge, but why focus on something we can not control? Is it that you are trying to scare people to God? Jesus gave us two commandments to live by. The first is to love God with all you heart and the second is to love others as yourself. If you follow both commandments wouldn’t the a better way to help people find God walking the talk of Jesus. Love others. Scaring them with events they can’t control is not the answer. Paul wrote the verse in 1 Thessalonians to comfort Christians, because they were previously told in the Old Testament by Solomon that their souls only return to God on Death. We are but dust…

  18. Thanks for your comment Ted Obenour!

    What is scary about the rapture of the church Ted? This is our blessed hope, the return of Jesus Christ for the church, I look forward to it each and everyday! Jesus told us to watch and be ready at all times.

    Matthew 24:42-44
    “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

    The apostle Paul told us to comfort each other with these words, with what words? The words that he just spoke of, the rapture of the church! How in the world is talking about the rapture of the church scaring people Ted, I really want to know?

    However, what is wrong with scaring people to God? Sometimes that’s what it takes to wake people up! We must tell the truth, the whole truth of God’s word, that includes the good, the bad, and the ugly. That includes God’s love, but it also includes His wrath, it includes heaven but it also includes hell!

    What really bothers me Ted are churches that do not preach the whole truth, they don’t want to teach on hell, on eternal damnation, nor do they want to teach on bible prophecy (which close to 1/3 of the bible is), why is that Ted? Is it because they are afraid of offending people, afraid of scaring them off? I believe that’s part of it, but no excuse for not doing it either.

    Jesus taught about hell, and I would argue that He taught more about hell then He did heaven! Does that then mean that Jesus was scaring people to God also?! The apostle Paul taught about the rapture of the church, does that then mean that he was also scaring people to God? All of the apostles taught about some very scary things, things which are happening, and things which have not yet happened, what does this make them Ted, what does this make Jesus Christ? Are we to follow Christ and His word as an example or not? Or are we to pick and choose what to preach to people? What then makes us know more than God does about what to tell people about God, about being saved, about going to heaven, about life without God?

    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

    I don’t know about you Ted, but I would rather scare people into heaven then to please them into hell! What good does it do a man if you tell him that God loves him but fail to tell him that without God you are destined for eternal hell? Shouldn’t they know the truth? If we fail to teach the whole truth then are we not being deceptive? If someone told me that God loves me so much but fails to tell me what will happen to me if I don’t accept Him and I then end up in hell for all of eternity who’s fault is that anyway?

    I don’t know about you Ted but I am not perfect nor will I ever claim to be. But I do know that the good Lord gave us the entirety of scripture for a reason, because He wanted us to know! He told us things beforehand so that we would not be ignorant of the times, yet so many pastors fail to teach the whole truth, very sad. Many of the things in the bible are scary, are we to pass over them as if they were inserted by a malicious individual? I think not! Sometimes the truth is scary, sometimes it hurts, but the truth is the truth and we must know the truth!

    Jesus said:

    Matthew 25:46
    “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Mark 9:42-48
    “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where

    ‘Their worm does not die
    And the fire is not quenched.’

    45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

    ‘Their worm does not die
    And the fire is not quenched.’

    47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where

    ‘Their worm does not die
    And the fire is not quenched.’ “

    Luke 12:5
    “But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!”

    So are you telling me that we should not follow the teachings of our Lord and Savior? Jesus wasn’t afraid to teach these things why should we be?

    God bless! Maranatha! Come quickly Lord Jesus!

  19. No I am saying don’t take things our of context. The Firers Jesus spoke of were from the city dump in Jerusalem in Arabic called Hell. The fires burned and never went. This was a simile that the people understood. The real hell is for your soul to be separation from God for eternity.

  20. Thanks for your comment Ted Obenour!

    The bible clearly talks about a real hell, Jesus talked about a real place called hell, we should talk about a real place called hell! I took nothing out of context, so Jesus may have given an example of what hell would be like so that they would understand, this does not negate a real place called hell. That’s what being in hell is, eternal separation from God in a place called hell.

    Matthew 25:41
    “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

    Revelation 20:10
    “And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”

    2 Peter 2:4
    “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;”

    Matthew 10:28
    “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”

    Matthew 23:33
    “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?”

    Revelation 20:15
    “And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”

    I could go on but you should get the point by now.

    So the bible clearly talks about a real place called hell, do I believe the bible or do I believe you? Hmmm…just saying! And if the bible talks about it then I will talk about it! You do what you feel led to do.

    God bless! Maranatha! Gordon

  21. Thanks you don’t need to respond… but taking verses out of context is a problem. Let’s Look at just one verse you sighted. Matthew 10:28
    28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

    Your reading the ASV which is fine. But first consider that this verse is part of Jesus’s direction to his disciples as he sends them our with healing powers. Second, the word in your version is him, but Jesus says the One as a proper name. Which is God.

    Matthew 10:28 (NIV)
    28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

    So basically it’s says in our vernacular…

    Matthew 10:28 (MSG)
    28 “Don’t be bluffed into silence by the threats of bullies. There’s nothing they can do to your soul, your core being. Save your fear for God, who holds your entire life—body and soul—in his hands.

    Notice I used multiple versions. I also looked up the word he used for hell in the Strongs number reference to the original text.

    g1067. γέεννα geenna; of Hebrew origin (h1516 and h2011); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: — hell.

    The word is a valley used for trash out side of Jerusalem. Lots of fun researching what Jerusalem was like in Jesus time.

    This is not at all complete in terms of understanding context. But I hope you can see where I’m going.

    There are great riches in the Bible if your willing to do the word, but it requires time and open investment in resource like other Bibles, study tools, etc. and plan old research. Most important it requires an open mind to let the Spirit come in.

    Too many Christians and ministers you can skim across the surface putting disconnected verses together that can help you make a point.

    Which way of studying his word do you think God would rather you do?

    I believe God’s get gift of love to use is freedom to choose to love God but his greatest desire is to have us love him… but it’s my choice. God is my first love.

    Last, hell for me would be to have my soul separated from God.

    You can learn more on my site at BibleContext.Org

    God bless

    Ted

  22. Thanks for your comment The Catholic of Honor!

    I’ve written extensively on a pre-Tribulation rapture of the church. Some of my posts on the subject can be found on the heading bar on a drop down menu called: “Don’t get left behind, Prepare!!!”…..”The Rapture”.

    Scripture tells us that we as the church are not destined for God’s wrath. The Tribulation period is not for the church but for Israel and the unbelieving world. If the rapture is not pre-Tribulation then how could it be imminent? Also, if it isn’t then we would know the timing of the rapture which no one does, we could count the number of days if it were mid-Trib or post-Trib.

    God bless! Maranatha! Gordon

  23. Thanks. I might read your post if I have the time. The Church isn’t destined for God’s wrath, but it also tells us that that we are to be persecuted for following Him. I have no doubt that God will protect His Church in some way, just not in so drastic a way. We don’t know the day or hour, of course, but Christ tells us that we can see the signs of the times.

  24. Thanks for your comment The Catholic of Honor!

    That’s right we are not destined for God’s wrath, what is the Tribulation period but God’s wrath? God didn’t save us so that He could then turn around and beat us up! Why in the world would God make us His bride then beat us to a pulp just before marrying us? We are to be persecuted but that does not mean that we have to go through the Tribulation period either. Christians have been persecuted since Christ ascended into heaven, and the persecution of Christians has never been so bad as it is now. We as believers will suffer persecution and tribulations, but that is not the same as going through the Tribulation period!

    Read 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. God says that we are to be raptured (caught up) and that we are to comfort each other with these words. How in the world would this be a comfort to us knowing that we would have to go through the Tribulation period? That’s just it, it wouldn’t be!

    I’ve been studying God’s word for quite a while now, and I have delved deep into the study of the rapture of the church. The truth is written in scripture, you really should read it and study it to know the truth.

    Jesus told us about the rapture in Matthew 24, then He tells us to be ready and watching, these are commands from our Lord. While would He tell us to be ready and watching if the rapture was after the Tribulation period begins, where is the imminence in that? He gave us signs to watch for so that we would know that His second coming is near, but the rapture is not the same as His second coming when all eyes will see Him coming. The rapture could happen at any time, the apostles believed it, the church at that time believed it, that’s why many in the church thought that Christ had already come, the apostle Paul was reassuring them that He had not come yet. The first 2 paragraphs of 2 Thessalonians 2 explains to the church that the rapture will not happen until the apostasy of the church happens first, then He who now restrains (I believe is the Holy Spirit filled church) is taken out of the way (the rapture, our gathering together to Him), then the man of sin is revealed (the Antichrist).

    Why do you not believe that God would rapture the church? I thought you said that you believed in the rapture? Then you say that you don’t believe that God would remove us in such a “drastic” way. God raptured Enoch (Genesis 5:24), Elijah (2 Kings 2), Phillip (Acts 8:39-40), Paul (I believe in 2 Cor. 12), and the apostle John was taken up to heaven in the book of Revelation (4:1-2), if He did it to them why is it so “drastic” to do it to the church?

    God at times does things in what you call “drastic” ways. What about the ten plagues of Egypt, what about the parting of the Red Sea, the Jews surviving in the wilderness for 40 years and their clothes never wearing out (Deut. 8:4), turning water into wine, catching a fish with a gold coin in it’s mouth, a talking donkey, Jonah living in the belly of a giant fish? What about the Jews being exiled from their land for two thousand years and remaining as a people then returning to re-establish their nation? What about God raising people from the dead? What about Jesus raising Himself from the dead? What about Jesus being born of a virgin birth? I wouldn’t call these things “drastic”, what I would call them are miraculous! God often does things in miraculous ways, they are His ways not our ways.

    We serve a God of miracles, a God that is all-powerful, He can do anything that He desires, and we must always remember Isaiah 55:8-9

    “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
    Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
    9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
    So are My ways higher than your ways,
    And My thoughts than your thoughts.”

    Believe what you will, but Jesus Christ tells us to be ready and watching at all times because His return for us (the church) is imminent! We are to know the season but we will not know the exact timing. This is not true of His second coming, we will know the time, we can count it down from the beginning of the Tribulation period.

    God bless! Maranatha! Gordon

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