No One Knows the Day or the Hour of Christ’s Return for the Church!

Commentary By:  Gordon King

The rapture of the church is an event that could happen at any time, no one knows the day or the hour, only our Father in heaven!  Yet, the second coming of Christ is preceded by many events given to us in scripture!

Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

The rapture of the church is a private event held only for God’s elect, only for those who are born-again!  It’s a private event meaning that only those who are saved will be involved, although it’s not a secret, for everyone can learn about it in scripture, and of course there are many believers spreading the message of the rapture, such as myself.  There are many people, both believers and unbelievers that say those who believe in the rapture of the church state that it is a “secret rapture”, have you heard that before?  I have, and I don’t know why they keep saying that or just where they came up with it, because it’s just not true!  The apostles have taught us about the rapture of the church two thousand years ago, how then could it be a secret?!  If it’s a secret then it’s a secret to only those who don’t want to hear about it and who ignore it!

In Matthew chapter 24 we hear of Jesus explaining to His disciples two different events, one is what will precede His second coming, the other is the rapture of the church.  How do I know this, because it is explained in the very same text.

Many Christians believe that Matthew has written about two different events, both the second coming of Christ and the rapture of the church, but there are many more believers who believe that Matthew is only referring to the second coming of Christ and not the rapture at all!  I’ll give my explanations as to why I believe that Jesus is speaking about both what will precede His second coming and the rapture of the church.

Matthew 24:1-31 is speaking about what will happen in the last days, but even more specifically about what will happen just prior to His second coming. 

Matthew 24:1-31

Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The Great Tribulation

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

The Coming of the Son of Man

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

Many believers think that verses 29-31 are talking about the rapture of the church, however I disagree!  The rapture of the church will not be preceded by signs such as the darkening of the sun, the moon, and the stars, nor will Christ appear to the world, they will not see Him coming in the clouds at the rapture!  Nor will Christ gather us together from one end of heaven to the other, He will gather us together from the four corners of the earth!  No, these verses are not talking about the rapture of the church but of Christ’s second coming!

Revelation 1:7

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

 

Zechariah 14:4-5

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south. 

Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

Every eye will see Him and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him!  His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives and it shall be split in two, I suppose from an enormous earthquake!  Does that sound like an event that is private or quiet?!  Absolutely not!  Revelation 19 tells us that the armies of heaven will follow Him on white horses, just who are these individuals? 

Revelation 19:14

And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

They are in fact His elect spoken of in Matthew 24:31, born-again believers in Jesus Christ, those who have been raptured beforehand!

Matthew 24:32-35 is a parable which I believe refers to the closeness of Christ’s second coming and indirectly to the rapture of the church, that it is given to us in order for us to know that we are living in the season.

Matthew 24:32-35

Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Many things of God are mysteries and will not be made known until specific times, such as the end time scenario and the rapture of the church.  The book of Daniel tells us this.

Daniel 12:4

“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

The prophet Daniel was given biblical prophecies that could not be understood until a specific time, they were mysteries that were sealed until the time of the end, then and only then would knowledge be increased and the mysteries be made known.

Daniel 12:9-10

And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.” ‘

In the end times the wise shall understand the mysteries of God which have been sealed for thousands of years before hand!

Many believers, even myself, have thought that the fig tree represents the nation of Israel and perhaps it does.  When the nation of Israel is reborn then you know that the time of Christ’s return is near, even at the door.  However, I also believe that it means that when you see all of the signs spoken of by Jesus that His return is near, that the generation who sees all of these things shall not pass away!

Luke 21:29-33

Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

We get a better idea in Luke 21, “look at the fig trees and all the trees”, this gives us a more accurate description of what is meant here, the rebirth of the nation of Israel and the signs, the signs of the end times!

This is where it gets really interesting as I believe that Matthew 24:36-44 is talking about the rapture of the church!

Matthew 24:36-44

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

First of all the beginning of these verses tell us that of that day and hour no one knows, but only My Father in heaven.  Jesus is telling us that this is an event which will take place without any signs, for if there were signs then we would or at least could know the day or the hour!  The second coming of Christ is preceded by many events and signs, the time is not unknown, we do know when He is returning once we see the signs taking place. 

He tells us that this event will be likened unto the days of Noah, that people were living their lives as normal, not concerned with the degradation of society, not concerned with what Noah was up to or why.  We know from the old testament that the condition of men’s hearts were only evil continually and that God was sorry that He ever created man!  So shall it be when God comes for the church at the rapture.  Two men in the field, one will be taken and one left, two women at the grinding mill, one taken and one left.  Preceding these verses Jesus tells us that this is how it was during the Great Flood of Noah just before God took Noah and his family from the coming disaster!  Noah’s Ark during the Great Flood is likened to the rapture of the church, where one is taken and one is left!  God will take those that are born-again and leave those that are not. 

Jesus tells us to watch because we do not know the hour our Lord is coming, then He explains that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come then he would not have allowed his house to be broken into.  Jesus went on to tell us once again to be ready because we don’t know when to expect Him!  This can only be true of the rapture of the church and not His second coming!

Many believers will compare Matthew 24:36-44 with Luke 17:26-36, however, although they sound similar with similar comparisons being used, I believe that Luke is not speaking of the rapture of the church, but rather judgment for those rejecting Christ!

Luke 17:25

But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

Luke 17:25 tells us beforehand that He will be rejected by this generation just before talking about as in the days of Noah!  He also compares the days of Noah and the days of Lot when God destroyed them all.  And in Luke 17:33 Jesus tells us this:

Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

Something else very interesting that I believe is that the rapture of the church will in fact precede the main events which will usher in the second coming of Christ!

Romans 11:25

For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery—lest you be wise in your own eyes—that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

The presence of the church is keeping the Jews from seeing the truth, from accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior!  Once the church is removed from the earth, once the “fullness of the Gentiles has come in”, then the Jews will be able to see the truth!

Romans 11:26-27

and in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer shall come out of Zion.
    He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
27 And this is My covenant with them,
    when I take away their sins.”

What is the “fullness of the Gentiles”?  I believe that it’s when the Gentiles have accomplished their mission of spreading the gospel throughout the world, to all nations, and I believe that the time is near!

So, I believe from scripture that the church must first be taken out of the way before the 70th week can begin, the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. 

Daniel 9:24-27

“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

 

Jeremiah 30:3

For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’

 

Jeremiah 30:7

Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.

I truly believe that He who now restrains is the Holy Spirit filled church, and that once He who now restrains is taken out of the way then the lawless one (the Antichrist) will be revealed!

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Remember Daniel 9:27?  Once the Holy Spirit filled church (He who now restrains) is taken out of the way then the Antichrist (the lawless one) shall be revealed!

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.

He (the Antichrist) shall confirm a covenant, sign a peace treaty with many (Israel) for one week (7 years)!  But in the middle of the week bring an end to sacrifice and offering, the abomination of desolation!

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

Matthew 24:15-16

“‘ “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” ‘

I believe that the good Lord has given us signs, signs of the times, signs of the closeness of His return, but also signs that we are in the season of the rapture of the church! 

False teachers, false christs, wolves in sheep’s clothing, deceptions, wars and rumors of wars, pestilence, earthquakes in various places, the beginning of sorrows!  We shall be hated and persecuted for His namesake, the love of many will grow cold, and the gospel of Jesus Christ shall be preached to all the world!  And then the end shall come!   But nothing, I mean nothing else has to happen for Jesus to rapture the church, not one darn thing!!!

Be ready, be prepared, watch at all times, for the good Lord could come to take us home at any time!  Amen.

Matthew 24:42

Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

 

God bless my friends!  Maranatha!

15 thoughts on “No One Knows the Day or the Hour of Christ’s Return for the Church!

  1. God bless you Gordon and thank you for such a clear explanation and I agree with you. Many people do get mixed up and confuse the scriptures together that relate to the second coming with the rapture.
    I am looking up , watching and waiting.
    Maranatha!
    Christine

  2. Like so many others you misinterpreted the 70th week. The prince that shall come us not the antichrist. Read it again. It states that he shall “confirm” the covenant with God’s people. To make a confirmation of any sort of an agreement an agreement must have already been made. Can you show me in scripture at any point where Satan or any of his representatives made an agreement or contact with God’s people. You can’t, because it never happened. Therefore, whomever the prince that shall come is has to have some connection with a covenant made with God’s people or through an intermediary of them for them. The only covenant made with God’s people was made between God and Abraham, extended through, Issac and Jacob and finalized through Moses. Only a representative of either God’s people or God can confirm that covent, Jesus fits both those criteria. Understand that after Jesus was baptized his ministry was to God’s people, he states himself that his purpose was to confirm the covenant better God’s people and God. His ministry lasted 3 1/2 years at which time he was crucified, cut off direct contact between himself and God’s people, however, his Disciples, now Apostles, continued his ministry for another 3 1/2 years at which time Stephen was stoned, Paul converted and Peter given the vision that took the gospel away from the apostate nation and delivered it to the gentiles, as was prophesied. We need no longer wait for the fulfillment of the 70th week, because it has already been fulfilled. Jesus took away the daily sacrifices as he became the ultimate sacrifice as was demonstrated when the vail in the temple was rent at the time he was crucified.

  3. Thanks for your comment Mike!

    First of all the covenant does not have to have been made by Satan, but confirmed by the Antichrist. Second, Satan has been in contact with God’s people since the beginning in the Garden of Eden, if not then we would never have had sin in the world in the first place. Third, Daniel does not state that the covenant was between God and man. If the 70th week of Daniel happened during the time Jesus was on earth then why hasn’t the abomination of desolation occurred at that time? Are you then saying that Jesus performed the abomination of desolation?

    The 70th week is not a time for the Gentiles but for the Jews, it’s the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, this hasn’t occurred yet! It’s a time for the Jews to repent of their sins against God and accept Him as their Lord and Savior. This has not happened yet for the most part, God has not forsaken His end of His covenant with the Jews, they are still His chosen people and always will be.

    This is what Jesus told us in Matthew 24:

    “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.”

    Jesus is talking about the Tribulation period, the last 7 years before His return to earth. Notice He says when you see the abomination of desolation then those who are in Judea flee into the mountains, He is speaking about the Jews. Why would He say that if it already happened?! Jesus hasn’t come back a second time yet, but according to you the abomination of desolation has already occurred, therefore the Jews have already fled into the mountains and Jesus has already come back a second time and is now ruling and reigning on earth! I don’t see it my friend, I don’t see any of it.

    This is what will happen “immediately” after the tribulation of those days:

    Matthew 24:29-30
    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

    When did that already happen? It didn’t! If it did then we would already be living in the Millennial period, we would be ruling and reigning with Christ, Jesus will be ruling from Jerusalem, animals will all get along together, people will be living long lives once again, it will be a time of peace on earth, are these things happening now? And even if they were (which they aren’t) they would only last one thousand years before the world is burned up, before the Great White Throne Judgment, and before the New Jerusalem came down from heaven to the new earth, none of these things have happened! If they did, then heaven is sure not what God told us it would be! The hatred, the murder, the lawlessness!

    No, Jesus has not yet returned a second time coming as King of kings and Lord of lords, if He did then we would all know about it, believe me!

    The apostle Paul warned us not to be deceived by people telling us that the Day of the Lord has already come.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
    “Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”

    If the abomination of desolation has already happened, then that means that the Antichrist has already been revealed, the son of perdition, for He is the one who sits in the Holy Place and professes to be God! And if this were true then the Day of the Lord has already occurred, but it hasn’t! Think about it Mike.

    God bless! Maranatha!

  4. It would take too long here for me to explain all that I would like too. Therefore, for you to understand where I am coming from I recommend that you read my dissertation on the subject of the Holy Place, the Abomination of Desolation and the return of our Lord and Savior at “daniel12thelastchapter.wordpress.com. I pray that you do not discount it offhandedly but view it with an open mind and willingness to understand another point of view. You are correct in that Jesus has not yet returned, but are you correct concerning the Abomination of Desolation or the Antichrist? Everything we have ever needed to know concerning God, Christ and the events leading up to His return can be found within the scriptures. My The Holy Spirit be with you as you study this subject.

  5. Also, are you aware that Christians, those who have ACCEPTED Jesus as the Son of God and the Savior of the world, are now Israel? Paul tells use the “Jews” are no longer God’s people by fleshly circumcision but by the circumcision of the heart. Christians have become Abraham’s seed through Christ’s blood. Paul also tells us that those “Jews” who refused him are pruned from the vine and those that believe are grafted in. The nation of Israel, as so many believe, is not the Israel that God’s covenant is established with, his covenant is with those who follow and believe in His Son and do His will. We, as Christians, are Israel and therefore those prophetic utterances apply to us as a nation of God.

  6. Thanks for your comment Mike!

    I prefer to get the truth from scripture and let scripture explain itself. I could take the time to go through the scriptures and show you but I don’t have the time in answering a comment as it takes away from my time from this site and from God’s word. Believe what you will.

    God bless! Maranatha!

  7. Thanks for your comment Mike!

    God has not forsaken the Jews my friend, never has and never will! I don’t know how you can interpret the scriptures that way? We as Gentiles have been grafted into the Jewish lineage through the spirit not the flesh, we have been made Jewish spiritually not physically, however, the Jews remain the Jews, they remain God’s chosen people! I can show you scriptures that tell us this without a doubt. And if God did forsake the Jews then why couldn’t He also forsake us?! Of course He could, and that would then mean that we cannot trust God or His word! I see where you are now coming from, you are a replacement theologist, and this theory is just not true.

    God bless! Maranatha!

  8. Replacement theologist? First Time I have ever heard that term. God’s people are those that do his will not those that claim Him as theirs by birth. Those who follow the tenets of the old Mosesaic system, that is the sacrificial, and who encourage the reemplimentation of that system reject Christ as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. You are probably one of those that look forward to a rebuilt third temple and that restarting of the daily sacrifices of the Jews. My friend, this will never happen. Why? Because the Doom of the Rock sits on the very site in which those sacrifices MUST be made and you will never see that structure dismantled until Jesus himself comes to clear that area for the Heavenly temple that will descend at the establishment of His eternal kingdom on earth. The Court of the congregation of the people of God, is part of the Tabernacle and cannot excluded nor set apart from the Sanctuary as the sacrificial blood must be taken immediately in to complete the rituals set forth in the books of the law. But, to reestablish these sacrifices is to slap God in the face with total denial and rejection of His promises and His Son. Think about it. Why did Jesus come? What did the sacrifices represent? Did not Jesus fulfill each and every one, save the Feast of Tabernacles, which is yet to be fulfilled and will be when He return the second time? The Jews missed his first coming because the misinterpreted the scriptures when He came and rejected Him. They will misconstrue His second coming because the do not know Him. If the do not know Him how will the recognize him. You say that God does not reject, the explain to me why Jesus said in warning to those who would lay to Him as their savior, “Depart from me, I never knew you!”. Replacement theologist? I think not. God’s people are still Abrahams seed, only now most are adopted siblings.

  9. Thanks for your comment Mike!

    It’s very funny in an ironic way that you have never heard of “replacement theology” since that is exactly what you are pushing!

    God bless!

  10. I find it very enlightening that your only response to my comments is to my ignorance to “replacement theology” instead of the valid points made concerning the seed of Abraham. Perhaps you are the ignorant one concerning the Biblical facts on the subject?

  11. Wow, “don’t have time in answering a comment”. Really? Are you doing this for your glory or for the glory of God? By your comment I can only conclude it is for your own glory. If it were for the glory of God you would take the time, not only to explain your position but to also review the positions of others to determine if what is presented to you is true, of course, using all the scriptures to support or refute either opinion.

  12. Thanks for your comment Mike!

    I only speak the truth Mike, you don’t have to like it but it remains the truth. I quote directly from scripture, what God tells us is the truth, you shouldn’t be arguing with me but with Him! The bible is replete with verses of God supporting the Jews as His people forever, not for a determined period of time as you say. If you believe what you believe to be the truth then state it from the scriptures as I have! I can continue to state verse after verse saying that the Jews are God’s chosen people and that He has definitely not forsaken them. How many verses could you have stated that God has absolutely forsaken them? You should have listed them. Apparently I am not the scholar that you are for I don’t see them, you should have pointed them out to me!

    Don’t condemn me for stating the truth directly from the bible. You should have shown me the bible verses that say God is finished with the Jews, that He has broken His everlasting covenant with them! All I see are your personal opinions and the opinions of others, man’s wisdom and not God’s wisdom and His word. I prefer to believe God thank you very much! And I am not here to make you happy or to please you but to please God Almighty!

    You came here to condemn me not the other way around Mike, so please don’t be so arrogant, at least not before backing it up with scripture, rightly divided scripture at that. I did not go to your website condemning you nor should you do so condemning me!

    If you don’t want to support the Jews as God’s chosen people then don’t, it’s your choice, but as for me I will continue to do so. But be very careful for God told us that He will bless those that bless them and curse those that curse them. It is also written that God will come against those that come against His nation Israel. If you don’t believe me then I can give you bible verses that state these things, even though you should already know them if you are such a bible scholar.

    If you had any legitimate points then you would have backed them up with scripture but you had none. Yet, you expect me to spend my valuable time arguing with you when you only tell me things from your own viewpoint, from your own opinion as if it were the gospel truth. God’s word is not for our own private interpretation but to be interpreted by scripture itself.

    You tell me that I should spend the time refuting your beliefs, but as you can see it can go on forever and ever! The best time spent is in God’s word not in arguing with someone who disagrees with you! I don’t mind you disagreeing with me, but if you do then you should have made your case directly from the bible and in context, which you haven’t done my friend, not from the beginning, only speculation at best on your part. I have quoted scriptures directly from the bible, yet you none. So what’s your point? Is it to make me look bad, or is it to puff yourself up, or is it both?!

    This isn’t my first Rodeo Mike, I’ve been writing this blog for many years now, and I certainly don’t have the time to go into lengthy arguments that never end. I would much rather put my time into God’s word and doing what the good Lord has anointed me to do. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to agree with it, no one ever asked you to. The Holy Spirit has given me discernment of who comes to make a legitimate point and those that only come to argue, and you my friend have come to argue! Perhaps you’re also doing it to try and gain some followers for your website, I don’t know.

    I’ve already spent countless number of hours writing on God’s chosen people and why we should support the Jews and the nation of Israel, I do none of it for my own glory but for the glory of God Almighty! I was actually trying to be gracious to you when I said that I don’t have the time to answer you, because I knew in my spirit that it would go on and on like it is now. I answer many comments each and every day, of course I answer comments! Many of us will not agree on all things and that’s the way it is, and neither of us should believe that the other should always agree on everything, it just won’t happen.

    We all have to decide how to spend our time and which battles to fight and for me this one is finished! Yet I will continue to post God’s word and how I see it through His Holy Spirit. You don’t have to agree with me, you don’t even have to read it, in fact you don’t even have to come to this site! No one is dragging you here, no one is making you read my posts, but for some reason you continue to do so. Remember, you are the one who came to my site and accused me of misinterpreting the scriptures not the other way around!

    May the good Lord give both of us His wisdom, understanding, and knowledge of the truth. Amen.

  13. I believe the Matthew 24 verse – “one will be taken and one will be left” is explained by the 5 wise virgins who “are taken” and the 5 foolish virgins who “are left” behind. The foolish virgins – pure spiritually – are believers. Yet they are not taken at the “rapture” since they were not “spiritually” prepared. I think this goes back to the symbolism of the rapture of Elijah when Elishia was given twice the spirit. The text doesn’t say, but something similar could have gone on when Enoch was raptured leaving his son who died before/during/because the flood. Those left behind will need “twice” the spirit to survive turbulent times after the rapture. I think there may be as much as 40 years as the Elishia people die off as the people crossing the desert with Moses. Jesus ascension was after 40 days of testing and before another 10 days of testing and Pentecost. The Church is the Body of Christ so the Rapture is between two periods of testing of the Jews. Passover and Pentecost are Jewish feasts while the ascension falls in between periods of testing. I think that Jesus will surprise everyone with something nobody thought of. I was just hearing Daniel explaining to Nebuchadnezzar that God controls knowledge and understanding.
    Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
    That is a common Biblical theme.
    Anyway, at the end of the wandering across the desert, there are 7’s and 2 spies. The 2 spies could correspond to the 2 witnesses of Rev 11. The timeline of the flood also has more detail than needed which could infer prophetic significance. Note that 150 days is 5 months –

    Revelation 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
    Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

    Genesis 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
    Genesis 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

    The flood started after a 7 day period, and ended with more drama! It all means something!!! This is fun!
    Thanks for your post,
    Jim

  14. Thanks for your comment jimccampbell!

    It is very interesting to study and consider the words that are told to us in the bible! And on many points we shall have to agree to disagree, and that’s ok. It’s also interesting to hear what other believers think about the scriptures as well, whether we agree or disagree.

    I don’t believe that the parable of the ten virgins represents all believers, some taken and some left behind, I believe that they are those who are born-again and those who are not. In Matthew 25 Jesus is telling us about the ten virgins, then the parable of the talents, and then telling us about His second coming and separating the sheep from the goats. I believe that in all of these parables Jesus is telling us what will happen at His second coming. I believe that in all three instances He is referring to those that have and have not been born again.

    The last sentence of the parable of the talents says that they will be cast into outer darkness and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, Jesus says the same thing when He tells us about judging the nations at His return. He doesn’t say this in the parable of the ten virgins, however, in verse 12 of the parable of the ten virgins Jesus says: “Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.” Who does Jesus not know that has been born-again? Perhaps these are people who thought that they were saved but actually are not?

    Matthew 7:21-23
    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    Matthew 25:6 tells us this: “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ “ They knew when the Lord was coming, just as at His second coming, however, they will not know when He comes at the rapture of the church, it happens instantaneously, in the twinkling of an eye.

    I don’t believe that some believers will be left behind at the rapture, but I have heard other believers say the same thing. I don’t believe that any of us (believers) are destined for God’s wrath upon the world, for scripture tells us that we are not destined for wrath but for salvation through Jesus Christ!

    I don’t see what a double portion of Elijah’s spirit has to do with the rapture of the church? I understand what you are saying, but I disagree. I don’t believe that there is anything that we could do to prepare for Christ’s return that would save us other than repenting of our sins and accepting Him as our Lord and Savior. With the being said, I do believe that we are to prepare for heaven by earning rewards at the Bema seat judgment, and that we should be found doing the Lord’s work once we die or are raptured out of here, this is His will for us.

    I do believe that the good Lord uses numbers throughout scripture and that they have very significant meaning. You’ve given a lot to think about and contemplate here.

    God bless! Maranatha!

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