Does God really hate the sin but love the sinner? Or does He hate the sin and the sinner?

God Loves You

Commentary By:  Gordon King

This is a rather long post, however it is very important to our faith, and I suggest that you read it in its entirety. 

It was recently brought to my attention by a brother in Christ that he heard it said that God hates the sin but loves the sinner.  He was obviously referring to me, as he wrote this in a comment to a post that I wrote and made this claim.  He then asked how could God love the sinner all the way to hell, then stop loving them when they arrived?

What I take from this is that he is actually asking me if I truly believe that God loves everyone, including sinners, and is making the statement that God does not love everyone, but actually hates sinners.  Maybe that is not what he meant by it, however there are many believers who do believe this.

Of course I responded with: “Yes I did say that, and I believe it. Didn’t God love us while we were sinners? And yet He still saved us. Who said that God stops loving at all?”

Yes, I said it: “God hates the sin, but He loves the sinner”!  I said it, I claim it, and I believe it with all of my heart, my mind, and my soul!

Why do I now write about this?  Why do I even bring it up or mention it?  For one reason, I have been loosing sleep over this matter.  My soul and my spirit are uneasy, restless, and very agitated by the very thought of God not loving sinners.  The Holy Spirit was speaking to me, telling me that this was not true, that I needed to beware of such teachings, giving me a red flag.  Secondly, it places doubt in my mind about the relationship with which I have had with God since I was seventeen years old.  If it were true that God hates sinners, then what I know about God has been a lie.  The relationship that I have had with the God of the universe would also be a lie!  Thirdly, if it were true that God hated sinners, then what I have been preaching to everyone on this website would also be a lie.  I want nothing more than to know the truth and speak the truth, leading believers away from the truth would be devastating to me!

Think about it for a moment, if you were married, then decades later found out that your spouse were living another life outside of your marriage, how would you feel?  More than likely you would be devastated!  You would feel betrayed, used, walked on, and violated.  Well, this is how I would feel also if I found out that what I know about God, my Savior, my Provider, my Protector, my Friend, were a lie also!  It would tear apart my faith, question the veracity of God and His word, and make me question just why am I following a God whom I trusted for most of my life!  It would take the truth of the word of God and turn it upside down and make the message a lie.  So you can see that this is a very serious matter, one in which I cannot wait to resolve and put to rest.

The very day that I received this comment I began researching the question: “Does God hate the sin but love the sinner?”  To my amazement there were pages of believers who claim that the bible never says this, and that God does actually hate sinners!  I was appalled by this, and it entered my mind that what if after all of these years I was actually wrong?!  What if I was telling people that God loved them no matter what they did, and I was wrong?  What if God actually does hate sinners?  I could not believe that there are so many believers out there who believe that God hates sinners!

All you have to do is read the bible to know that God does not hate sinners!  What is the bible all about anyway?  It’s a love story from cover to cover my friends!  It’s about God loving His creation from the beginning, about reconciling them back to Himself, even though his creation has rebelled against Him time and time again.  It’s about God Himself loving us all so much that He came to earth as a human and as God, sacrificing Himself for us in order that we might have eternal life with Him! 

However, there are believers who use bible verses to refute this claim, they say that God says that He hates sinners, it’s in the bible.  Yes, it is true that there are biblical verses in the old testament saying that God hates some people with certain attributes.  Yet, is this truly what is meant by these verses?  It just makes no sense to me that these words mean that God actually hates the sinner, and it contradicts what the bible teaches us about God.  I know the bible to be 100% true, and that it does not contradict itself.  Knowing this, there must be a reason for these verses, other than what first meets the eye.

Then we must be sure that we understand just what these verses mean, and in the time, context, and culture in which they were said.  For instance, Jesus says to us:

Luke 14:26

If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Does this actually mean that we are to hate our family or we cannot follow Christ?!  No!  Absolutely not!  What it does mean is to love Christ more than our families, to put Christ first!

Didn’t God come into this world to save it?  Didn’t He die on the cross to save sinners?  And why would God even want to save people who He hated anyway?  Why does God show us mercy, forgiveness, and grace if He hates us?  It just makes no sense whatsoever if God is who He says that He is, LOVE!

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

And weren’t we all sinners at one time or another?  And if this is true then why would God save us?  Isn’t God’s love for us unconditional?  That’s what the bible teaches, and if this is so, then God would love us no matter what we did!

Romans 5:6-8

 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

If we look back in time through the word of God, then we can see that God does not hate sinners, just the opposite.  Take for instance Jonah, didn’t God tell him to go to Nineveh to preach salvation?  And if He hated sinners then why would He want to save these people?  After-all, they were very wicked and evil, some say that they were the most evil people since the beginning of creation!

And God told Jonah:

Jonah 1:2

“Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry out against it; for their wickedness has come up before Me.”

If God hated them so much, then why would He want to save them?  He could have just killed them all, but He didn’t because He loved them and knew that if they had the chance they would turn from their wicked ways and repent!

Some people, even believers will bring up Sodom and Gomorrah, or the days of Noah, and say that God does hate sinners because He destroyed these evil people, and if He loved them that He would not have done so.  However, what we don’t know is just how bad they were, and how hardened their hearts were.  There comes a point in time when a person who continually hardens their heart will also sear their conscience, with no turning back, no repentance, but continual evil, hatred, and rebellion against God.  God knows everything, He knows it all!

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

We often think that we know God, that we know of His ways, and we compare God to our own understanding and our own values.  But, God is much greater than we are, and His ways and thoughts are much higher than ours.

Isaiah 55:8-9

For My thoughts are not your thoughts,  Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,  So are My ways higher than your ways,  And My thoughts than your thoughts.

It’s often difficult for us as humans to forgive those who trespass against us, and it’s even harder to love them.  Yet, God tells us to love our enemies, even though this doesn’t make much sense to us.  Jesus said the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, and mind, the second is to love your neighbor as you love yourself!

Matthew 22:37-40

Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

And what if our neighbor is evil and wicked, shall we still love them as we love ourselves?!  Yes!  According to Jesus we should love even our enemies.  This doesn’t make much sense to the human mind, but we are not God, nor should we lower God and His standards to meet our human minds, values, and reasoning, otherwise we are creating our own god!

As believers in Jesus Christ we are to be more Christ-like, to put on Christ, to let Him increase and us decrease.

John 3:30

He must increase, but I must decrease.

Ephesians 5:1-2

Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

Scripture tells us to be imitators of God, to walk in love as Christ loved us and has given Himself for us.  If this is true, and it is, then we are to love just as God loves.  If it were true that God hated sinners, then we should also hate sinners!  After-all, we are to be imitators of God, right?!  Yet this is not what the bible tells us at all, just the opposite.

Some will say that the words: “God loves the sinner but hates the sin” is not found anywhere in the bible.  This is true, it does not say those exact words, yet if you read and study scripture than you will know that it is true.  The words Trinity, Millennium, Rapture, and Bible are also not found anywhere in scripture, yet we know about them from reading scripture, and we are taught the concepts through scripture!

A couple of days ago I searched the internet for information regarding this subject, and as I said, the first day I found nothing but arguments against “God loves the sinner but hates the sin”.  However, after seeking the Lord and praying for God to help me and give me confirmation of my beliefs, the next day I found several websites who agree with my beliefs and make very good and valid points.  In fact, the sites which say that God hates sinners seem to contradict themselves in their answers, making one question their faith and the word of God.

I read one post which said that we should not hate the sin, but just love the sinner.  Really?!  Hating the sin does not mean to condemn another person, nor does it mean to judge them for sinning.  It means that you hate sin!  God hates sin, and we should be God-like.  This does not mean that we go around condemning people for their sin, we all sin at times.

I think that I have said enough on this matter, you should all know where I stand.  I truly believe that God does love everyone, sinners and saved.  God is just, righteous, holy and pure, and this is what separates God from sin.  Just because there will come a time when some will find themselves thrown into a lake of fire does not mean that God stops loving them.  We cannot understand all the ways of God, nor can we know His mind, He is God and we are His creation.

I have found several posts on websites which go into this much deeper than I have and I strongly urge you to read them.  They go into detail on the verses which say that God hates some people with specific attributes, and just what these verses actually mean.  They also go into detail regarding God and His love for the world.  Please take the time to read these then make your decision on what you believe.  As for me I believe that God loves sinners but hates the sin!  This is the God that I know and love, the God I have a relationship with, the One who told me that He is Love!

Does God hate sinners?

God loves sinners

Does God hate you, Sinner?

God bless my friends!  Maranatha!

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19 comments

  1. Anonymous

    Hi Gordon, I believe God loves all mankind because He died to Save us all but He hates sin because sin separates us from Him. If we won’t believe in Jesus and receive forgiveness we will remain outside of His Kingdom because He is Holy and we must accounted as Holy by faith and sanctification and transformation in Him. I do really struggle with the belief that all unbelievers get thrown into the lake of fire as soon as they die without Christ though, I think they go to the place of the dead awaiting Judgement at the end of the age and it is then that their eternal destination is decided. I hope they will have the chance to repent and call upon the name of Jesus for forgiveness even at that time of Judgement . I believe Hell the lake of fire is reserved for the devil and his legions who have been in rebellion to God. However, at the end of the age still some humans will choose Satan’s way over God’s way and will go back into rebellion again and then they too will be thrown into the lake of fire. I think that even at death if a person calls upon the name of Jesus they will be saved. It is not God’s will that any should perish and Jesus destroyed the last enemy death so I think we may be surprised to learn just how many we might have thought as lost at death actually do get saved as they are passing over to the place of the dead. I would appreciate your thoughts/teaching on this from scriptures as I am not totally convinced in my own mind.

    • Gordon King

      Thanks for your comments Anonymous!

      Scripture tells us that we are appointed once to die and then the judgment.

      Hebrews 9:27-28
      “And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.”

      This means that we are to be judged for the life that we lived, not after we die, but the life that we have chosen to live. This includes accepting Christ or rejecting Christ. Those who eagerly await for Him in this life will be saved.

      1 Corinthians 15:17-19
      “And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.”

      The apostle Paul tells us that if Christ did not rise from the dead then our faith in Him will not save us. He goes on to say that those who have fallen asleep (died) would have perished, that it is in this life we place our trust and hope in Christ, not after we have died.

      Remember the story of the rich man and Lazarus? (Luke 16:19-31) Jesus tells us this story of the rich man who was not saved and went to a place of torment, a place called Hades, after he died. Don’t you think that everyone who died without Christ would then choose to accept Him if they had the chance? I wish that I could say that it wasn’t so, but it is according to scripture. One of those crucified on a cross next to Jesus believed and accepted Him, then Jesus told him that today he would be with Him in Paradise (Luke 23:39-43).

      Regarding the lake of fire:

      Revelation 20:15
      “And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.”

      Jesus Himself spoke about hell as a real place.

      Matthew 10:28
      “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

      The apostle Paul writes about the end, this was after Christ has already died and risen from the dead.

      1 Corinthians 15:24-26
      “Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.”

      Jesus holds the keys to hell and death, death has been defeated, but it has not been destroyed, but it “will be” destroyed. This won’t happen until the end of the world as we know it, the end of the Millennial reign of Christ. After that there will be no more death, we will have immortal bodies and live forever in eternity with Christ!

      Is hell a real place? Yes it is! Will all of those not accepting Christ be cast into the lake of fire? Yes. Are these things scriptural? Yes. We must also remember that heaven is also real, so is eternal life! And we all have the chance and the choice to make the right decision, before we die. Once we die then we await judgment.

      I hope this helps Anonymous. Study the bible, understand what it says. We must know the truth and not wander away from it. We should all be learning and growing in our faith and understanding of God and His ways. I know that I am, and each day I strive to know Him a little bit more. I don’t know it all, and I don’t claim to, however I am learning more and more as I mature in Christ.

      God bless!

  2. Tommy Clark

    First, why do you tell people this?
    Even if I agree with you that God loves everyone, it will absolutely do them no good if they do not accept the propitiation of Jesus and change their evil ways (“go and sin no more”)
    God loves the sinner but hates the sin? How about Esau?
    As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Romans 9:13
    Is like saying God is good all the time.
    Even when he killed every air breathing creature, and all humans (including women and children) in the world, except for eight humans and a select breeding stock of animals on the Ark.
    And in today’s World of 7 Billion People, six plus billion will die and go to hell.
    “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it. Matthew 7:13-14
    If people can understand this, then they will accept salvation and work to sanctify themselves.
    Also, the percentage of people in the US have rejected morals and the Church since it quit preaching Hell fire and Damnation. And I highly question the “salvation” of many in the laodicean Church of today.
    In Love!

    • Gordon King

      Thanks for your comments Tommy!

      I speak the truth of God’s word. I do not try to tickle the ears of man, only tell it like it is. Apparently you did not read the posts which I mentioned and strongly urged you to read, or you would understand about Esau. And you probably have not read many of the other posts which I have written either or you would know where I am coming from.

      God is good all of the time, He is love, pure love, something that we cannot understand.

      We have to speak the truth, the whole truth, and that includes God’s love for humanity. Should I hide God’s word? Should I only speak out about what I want to pick and choose? Is that really what God wants? And did I ever say that you can do whatever you want and get to heaven? Did I tell anyone that they will get to heaven without Christ as their Savior? Have I not spoken out about eternal hell? About Christ being the only way to heaven?

      God bless!

  3. Ethin

    God loves the murderer while he is murdering???
    God loves the fornicator while he is fornicating???.
    God loves the lie while he is lying???.
    God loves the thief while he is stealing???.
    God loves the idolater while he is worshiping idols.???
    God loves the adulterer while he is committing adultery???
    God loves the violent while they are committing violence???

    The above messages are what are populating hell today.

    Ethin

  4. Ethin

    I forgot to mention the main one that God loves;

    God loves the homosexual while he/she is committing sodomy???

    This one is shoveling souls into hell by the millions.

    Ethin

  5. Ethin

    Gordon, opening one door seems to open another. With regards to your belief that God never quits loving the unrepentant sinner even loving him into hell and beyond. Then the question raised about that is this:
    While In hell, does the sinner in some way have the ability to acknowledge and receive God’s love and if not why would God still love him if the sinner could not sense or be aware of it, what would be the point?
    On the other hand if the sinner can sense Gods love in hell then will that occur for all eternity even after the new heavens and the new earth and throughout all the eternal state of existence.
    Do you in some way fancy a notion that the hell imprisoned sinner can yet somehow be retrieved out of hell once he as been sent there?.

    Ethin

    • Gordon King

      Thanks for your comments Ethin!

      I don’t have all of the answers, I wish that I did! But God is very complex, and many of His ways are mysteries to us.

      But I believe scripture and what God tells me is the truth, and what the Holy Spirit of God tells me is true. I don’t understand all of His ways nor do I claim to.

      Hell is the separation of the soul and God, so no, the sinner will not receive God’s love. Does it really matter that God loves the sinner while the sinner is in hell? If you know of someone who has died and you loved them in life, don’t you still love them in death? God is God, He is love, and He loves the people He created. However He is also just and righteous, holy and pure, meaning we get what we deserve, unless we are washed clean by the blood of Jesus. That’s what it’s all about.

      No Ethin, I do not fancy a notion in which sinners in hell can be retrieved from it, hell is eternal just as heaven is.

      The statement that you asked me about “God hates the sin but loves the sinner” at first seemed to be a bad thing, something to weaken my faith, to place doubts in my mind regarding my relationship with God. However, it actually helped to increase my faith, build more character, and strengthen my resolve. It helped to plant my feet firmly on the Rock of my salvation. I really want to thank you Ethin, you actually helped me more than you know!

      God is good, and Romans 8:28 holds true now more than ever! God makes all things work together for the good of those that love Him. Amen.

      Please do not be upset that I believe that God loves us all Ethin. If you choose not to believe it, then so be it. However for me it makes a world of difference in my walk with the Lord.

      God bless Ethin, and again thank you so much for helping to open my eyes and lead me closer to the Lord. I sincerely mean that!

  6. kelson buckingham

    I know(beyond mere belief)God loves everyone! I love my children and grandchildren,too, however, if they choose to not follow rules I give them, there will be consequences. How can anyone think that a loving God will not discipline us for not accepting Christ as our Savior and asking forgiveness? After all,the Bible clearly states as much. Yes, God is good all the time, all the time God is good but we need to make sure we also teach that we must follow His rules.

  7. Ethin

    And you as well Gordon, thank you so much for helping to open my eyes and lead me closer to the Lord with a greater resolve to stand fast on the truths of the bible. I sincerely mean that!

    1 Samuel 15:3
    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'”

    Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass at midnight that the Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt from the firstborn of Pharoah who sat on his throe to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon and all the firstborn of livestock.

    Luke 19:27
    But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”

    Ethin

  8. SweetJava

    Interesting question you ask Gordon..I believe you answered your question by seeking God first and having Him give you the answers you seek through searching His word with prayer. That’s where it all begins.

    I agree with you, God LOVES the sinner, for that purpose He came to us to redeem us from the grips of death, for sin is death but through Christ, life. The evil one is the one who puts doubts / manifests doubts in us, be it through man or the media; readily available resources, influences, music, TV, etc. Planting subliminal thoughts/pictures any which way he can in order for one to loose faith or question it. All distractions to keep one busy and not in commune with the true source of life, who holds the key to both life and death. We must seek God while we still have breath, no matter our station in life, no matter our predicament. He is always there to a sincere heart, especially to those who have a humble and contrite heart searching for answers. “But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness,..” Matthew 6:33 (NKJV)

    “For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.” Isaiah 38:18
    “For in death there is no remembrance of Thee: in the grave who shall give Thee thanks?” Psalm 6:5 (KJV)
    Once one dies everything ceases and only God knows your heart. One’s dead asleep awaiting judgment day.

    Ezekiel 33:11 “Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?” (Spiritual Israel included.)

    John 5:24 [Life and Judgment Are Through the Son] “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.” Believing first, confessing, repenting and being Christ-like, Trusting God for who He is and fear Him who can destroy both the body and the spirit. The devil also believes and he trembles. One condemns oneself every time one strays, to Satan’s delight and God’s sorrow. Hence prayer and repentance is needed daily. A simple thought can skew us away from doing the right thing, away from seeking Him. Daily connection and prayer are powerfully charged, strengthens the soul.

    “For this God is our God for ever and ever: He will be our guide even UNTO death.” Psalm 48:14

    Psa.116:15 “Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.” These are the ones who will be resurrected at His coming, who died for His cause and thereby showing the world with whom they stood for, who they believed in. What’s the point of His coming and resurrecting the first fruits if we are already in hell or heaven..?..

    “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Roman 6:23

    Proverbs 10:2 “Treasures of wickedness profit nothing: but righteousness delivers from death.”
    Pro.14:27 “The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.”
    Jeremiah 21:8 “And unto this people thou shalt say, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.” Everyone has a CHOICE.

    “To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.” Luke 1:79
    “This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He saith unto him, ‘Follow Me’.” (John 21:19) Following Christ even unto death.
    “For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” Roman 5:10
    V.12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
    V. 21 “That as sin has reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.”
    Rom. 6:4 “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
    V. 16 “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?”
    1Cor.15:26 “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” No more tears or sorrow or death!
    2Cor.1:9 “But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raises the dead,”

    Php.1:20 “According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.”
    God is glorified by our actions and deeds in righteousness, whether we live or die. Fight the good fight, trust God in everything, do not fear for we know where we’re going, all those who have faith in the Lord.
    Heb.2:14 “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”. Death has been defeated at the cross and Jesus has the victory upon His resurrection holding the keys to hell and death! (Rev.1:18) Death has lost its sting for those who believe and uphold to His teachings.

    Rev. 2:10 Jesus states: “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
    V.11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death.”
    Rev.12:11 “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”
    Rev.20:6 “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.”
    V.14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
    Rev.21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

    I’ve extended myself with both the old and new Testament verses to make the point that sin is what brings death. The origins of which comes from the father of lies. Everyone has a choice to choose who to listen too. We are all sinners, And the sinner’s responsibility, the freedom to choose to avoid the penalty, the sentence of death is by accepting God’s free gift of forgiveness.Through the only person whose name is above any other, who knew no sin (and while we were still sinners) died for each of us. God doesn’t hate the sinner, the individual, He hates the sin and what it does to the individual in separating from the true source of peace, love and life. God looks at the heart of each person, the inner most secret place of man/woman/child. One can have the appearance of righteousness but inward curse his brother. This is not loving God or our neighbor/brother. We must show by actions, words and deed who we stand for. Only God knows our true nature and the adversary for a short time, is allowed to manipulate us, IF we let him. God has given us the power through Christ, to stay connected, resist and avoid the pitfalls.
    God did not create sin! Sin was found in Lucifer’s jealousy, in his lies, in his desires to be worshiped above everything/One else. All because of his conceit of self. We are to look beyond ourselves, as our Lord Jesus Christ did while physically here. ‘While we were still sinners…’ He gave us the greatest love — Himself. And through Him / with Him we too have the power to overcome sin and death. Therefore God loves the sinner..and wants no one to perish but come to Him for forgiveness and grace.
    Many passages in Scriptures’ speak of death being sorrowful, a darkness. One must seek and choose Jesus Christ, worship God while still breathing, confess all, repent, resist evil, having a pure heart and a clear conscious every day, for everyday we commit an infraction, it’s in our nature. But with our Lord on our side we fight the good fight in our own battles and thereby being able to help others. Prayer is the beginning of confessing our need for forgiveness. We’re all a work in progress, don’t loose faith. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. We must change within… Jesus alone is the way…truth… and life. Let Him guide you through the good times and the trials, His life is our example. God bless. Always looking up!

    Thank you Gordon for a thought provoking search. It has strengthen my resolve to stay close to our Lord.
    May the Good Lord continue to open our eyes…In His holy name I pray, Amen.

    • Gordon King

      Thank you SweetJava!

      This is why I wrote the post, so that other believers would stop and think about it, so that they would search the scriptures and learn more about God. The hoped for result would be just as it was for you and I, the resolve to strengthen our faith and trust in Jesus Christ!

      God is good, and He loves everyone, giving His life, the greatest gift of all, in order for all of us to be saved. You cannot get more loving than that!

      God bless! Maranatha!

  9. Ethin

    I’ll be brief;
    “The wicked and those who love violence, His (God’s) soul hates!” Psalm 11:5

    ethin

    • Gordon King

      Thanks Ethin!

      I included a few posts in this post that I wrote, however many probably didn’t take the time to read them.

      Please read at least this one post: “Does God hate sinners?”

      Jesus tells us to hate our mother, our father, and our families if we are to follow Him. Does this mean that we are to actually hate our families? No! Of course not. It means to put Jesus ahead of our families and to love Him first and foremost.

      Luke 14:24 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.”

      But then in Matthew 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.”

      Jesus doesn’t mean to hate our families or ourselves, but to have preference towards Him first.

      These words were written thousands of years ago, in a different time, in a different culture and society. Just as we have slang and idioms to describe something, people living in the days of Jesus would not understand what we really mean by them. Such as young people saying “That’s bad!”, when they really mean “It’s good!”, or if we say “It’s raining cats and dogs”, when we know that it couldn’t possibly really be raining cats and dogs!

      God doesn’t hate the wicked, but the wicked acts of the sinner. He hates what they do, not them. For God so loved the “world” that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall have eternal life. That in itself should be enough to tell us that God loves all of us.

      This is the way I see it Ethin, God loves everyone, that is why He did the most selfless and loving act of all time, sacrificing Himself for us all! And why we were still sinners.

      God bless! Maranatha!

  10. Ethin

    This is not a new experience for me, i.e. quote the bible and have someone tell me that the bible doesn’t say what it says. I’ve been here and done this before. Still believing what the bible says.
    “You, (God) hate all workers of iniquity”. Psalm 5:5

    • Gordon King

      Thanks for your comment Ethin!

      I know you have been around for a while Ethin, and I am not trying to tell you what to believe or not believe. You asked me about this subject, not the other way around. I am telling you what I believe and why, and of course you can believe whatever you like, just as I can.

      What I am saying is to make sure you really understand what the verses mean before you believe that God does hate some people. After-all, what is the message of the bible and the meaning of the cross anyway? It’s that God loves us all! Isn’t that the message of the cross? He died for us all, for the whole world so that we might all be saved. He wishes for no one to perish. Isn’t this biblical?

      The things of God are much, much deeper than we think they are. The love of God is much, much more than we think it is, and so much more overwhelming than man’s meaning of love.

      And if God hates sinners, than why on earth would He have even let Adam and Eve live? Why didn’t He just stop the human race from being multiplied, especially if He knew that we would sin, every last one of us? And that means He hated us all, from the very beginning. I just don’t see it, I don’t see God hating us all, that is not what I get from reading and studying the scriptures, I get just the opposite. That even though we were all sinners, God loved us! That He wants nothing more than to have a personal relationship with us. Would God really want a personal relationship with people he hated? Would He give His life, the greatest gift of all, to people that He hated? I don’t see it.

      We all need to know and have understanding of scripture. We must continue to seek God and His wisdom through the Holy Spirit. God loves us, He loves us all!

      God bless Ethin! Maranatha!

  11. Ethin

    God will not fill up hell with people he loves, Here is my statement on the matter:
    Those God loves will come to experience God’s love for them through repentance and faith in Christ and these people will populate heaven.
    Those God does not love will never have a salvation experience and these are the ones who are populating hell.

    If God has love for all then His love must extend to Lucifer, Satan, The anti-Christ, the false prophet, the beast powers, and demons. This is the doctrine of today’s Universalists who are claiming that God’s love abides on everybody even on Satan and there may yet be hope for him.

    If God loves the unrepentant sinner and that sinner never repents and enters eternal hell then the blood of Christ was not shed for that person, because if it was shed for that person and that person ended up in hell then God was powerless to save that person and that is not possible. (think about it)

    Human beings are disposable to the accomplishment of the perfect will of God given that Pharoah of Egypt was no more than a disposable instrument to demonstrate how God had determined the destiny of the nation of Israel and the protection of the Messianic line.

    Human beings are disposable given that Judas was no more than a mere coward and traitor that was used in the grand design to show forth Jesus to the Roman detachment the night of His betrayal. Who in their right mind would say; “Poor Judas God loved him so much and now he is hung and fell headlong and his bowls gushed out.”

    God has sovereignly has decreed that approximately 5.5 billion people (human beings) given that the earths population will be 7 billion at the time of the opening of the 7 seals, 7trumpet, and 7 bowl judgments of Revelation are going to be destroyed by roasting, broiling, boils, disease, starvation, earthquakes, armies of evil spirits, stinging scorpions and the like. This picture of over 5 billion people dying at the direct hands of judgments of God does not paint a picture of Love but of God’s sovereign decree of death by horrorible judgment.

    At the end of the 1000 yr Millenium nations are going to gather together to come against Christ at Jerusalem and fire is going to come down from heaven and roast them all alive to death. Estimates are that this number will be in the millions. (evidence of no love here)

    The overall view given in the bible is that within God’s love and as stated in John 3:16 and Romans 5:8, there is an exceeding great manifestation for God’s love to be extended but clearly NOT FOR ALL as I have proven with my statements above.

    There is no evidence in the bible that God will somehow kick his love into neutral and just let it idle on a person all through an eternity of hell, this is ridiculous and plays into the hands of the Universalists who believe that Satan and his demons have a chance to be redeemed because God loves everybody and wouldn’t leave them in hell. Making up this kind of conjecture is trying to interpret the white spaces between the written lines of the bible and borders on heresy.

    Ethin

    • Gordon King

      Thanks for your views Ethin!

      I would have left it at that but you seem to be calling me a heretic! I don’t get it, I’m a heretic because I believe that God loves everyone?! Just because God loves everyone does not mean that everyone loves God! And just because God will send some people to hell does not mean that He does not love them. It’s not God’s choice to send anyone to hell, that is the choice we make for ourselves. God comes to us with love, do we accept it or not? It’s not a question of “Can the blood of Jesus save us?”, but do we accept it. Of course the blood of Jesus can save everyone, I am not including Satan and his demons and I have never before eluded to that as you have stated.

      And just because God will punish those who rebel against Him does not mean that He does not love them. God is holy, righteous and just, therefore He must punish those in rebellion to Him. We all have a free will, we all have choices to make in this world, the way in which we go and the choices that we make determine our eternal destiny not God. If not then why bother with any of it? We would be nothing more than puppets in a sideshow.

      God is showing all of creation, and yes even Satan and his demons that human beings, people made lower than angels, can choose to accept God and trust in Him, all of our own free will, that He is fair and just, that He will punish the sinners and reward the righteous.

      We were all sinners at one time, so does that mean that God hated all of us? I mean, just what sin is worse than another, sin is sin. That would mean that He hates us all and none of us could ever be saved!

      If you believe that God hates some people, then do you also believe what Jesus said in Luke 14:26
      “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.”

      You must believe that Jesus is telling us to hate our parents, spouses, and children if you believe other verses which say that God hates some people. Yet, God tells us to love and honor our parents, or is this just trying to interpret between the white spaces?

      One of the Ten Commandments: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.” How can we honor them by hating them?! There is such a thing as reading, and there is another thing of reading and understanding.

      Matthew 22:37-40
      ‘Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” ‘

      If we are to love our neighbors as ourselves, does this also include those who you say God hates? And if it doesn’t, then we are sinning by breaking His commandments. God does not give us exceptions to this law, but to love regardless. And as believers are we not to emulate Jesus Christ? We are to make less of ourselves, to give up our own lives and to put on Christ. We have been crucified with Christ and we are to live as Christ lived! And if God hates some people then we should hate them also! Yet, God tells us to love everyone, even our enemies. How then do you then reconcile that?

      The message of scripture itself is that God comes to us all with love, and it is up to each of us to either accept Him or reject Him, to trust in Him or turn away from Him. This is the message from the beginning of the bible through the ending. God loves, God is love, much higher and deeper than our love, that’s for certain!

      Didn’t Jesus Christ tell us to go out into all of the world and preach the gospel to all creatures?
      Mark 16:15
      “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

      Did Jesus really want us to preach the gospel to fish, birds, snakes, ants, and the like? Or did He mean to all people? Am I missing something or am I interpreting between the white spaces here? And if God hated some people and they would never be saved, then why even preach the gospel to them? Because God loves them! Because He is giving them the chance to repent of their sins and to accept Him, of their free will as a human being. If not then why are we even here?! He told us to preach the gospel to all people, so that all would have the chance to be saved, yes even the wicked. If God only loves those who would be saved then why not just take us all home now? God loves all of us, and He will forgive all sins, lets not forget that! (All but the sin against the Holy Spirit, which basically means to not accept Christ).

      You are adding a lot of things to what I have said, things which I have never said or eluded to. Be very careful in what you accuse me of, remember I am a child of God Almighty just as you are! Name calling and condemnation towards other believers is not the answer, and is ungodly and a sin.

      You believe that God does not love everyone, I do. So be it. I am not angry with you for believing that, nor do I hate you. I love you, you are my brother in Christ! Isn’t that the main thing?

      God bless Ethin!

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