Commentary by: Gordon King
Hello folks, I have received yet another comment from a Muslim woman who does not believe that Jesus was God. Does not believe that he was crucified or was killed. And cannot understand why anyone would follow a God who kills an innocent being.
I have given my response to her below. What are your thoughts and opinions? Please post comments of your thoughts, they do matter!
God Bless Everyone! Maranatha 😉
Comment from: Anonymous Submitted on 2013/10/01 at 9:25 pm
I am a Muslim who loves Jesus and follows the ways of Jesus. We do not believe however that God would have allowed such a noble and dear being to suffer, because suffering is earned through sin, as you have properly stated when you warned of the suffering of Hell.
We humans have tasted of both Heaven and Hell, for we have known joy and pain. It is in our view as Muslims that the suffering of Jesus would have been a horrible injustice, for a number of reasons. Firstly, Jesus is without sin, and so he has earned no suffering. If Jesus had been allowed to go through the Hell of torment that has been described, it would undoubtedly have conveyed a false message that people can still be subjected to suffering and pain even when they have done no wrong to earn it.
Secondly, the demonstration that one person can absolve another from suffering, punishment, or Hell fire by taking on the punishment or suffering of the other, would have been a terrible example to set, as it invariably teaches that we can avoid responsibility for our actions, thereby avoiding the consequences. You will agree that this is a very dangerous view to hold, and that simply repenting and asking for forgiveness (though we may be forgiven), will not undo the sin, and will not eliminate the negative repercussions of our actions. Mercy is never being punished for the same sin twice, and forgiveness is allowing sinners to improve themselves to earn Heaven, rather than damning and excluding them because they have sinned.
As Muslims, we believe that God is just, and that Jesus is just. As such, we cannot accept that either of them would have sanctioned such an unspeakable injustice as the torture and cruel murder of such a pure and good being. It is unthinkable. An ordinary person may volunteer to take the blame and punishment for the wrong doing of a loved one, and they may think that their action in this case is noble and well intentioned. However, such exalted persons as Jesus have unlimited regard and respect for true justice, and would never obstruct it, for justice is in truth a grace, mercy, and immeasurable blessing.
“And they said we have killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him. On the contrary, God raised him unto himself. God is almighty and wise.”
—Quran Surah 4 (An-Nisa النساء) Verse 157-158.
Is it not more wonderful to realise and accept that God protects the truly faithful, and that ultimately Good triumphs over Evil? Why would anyone want to believe that our Lord would allow such evil and horror to befall so pure and righteous a being as Jesus?
God has given us a mind with intelligence and reason, so that we can distinguish between fair and unfair, justice and injustice, truth and falsehood. I write this out of compassion and caring for my fellow human beings, as our Imam Ali (peace be upon him) says: “Those who have the same religion as you have; they are brothers to you, and those who have religions other than that of yours, they are human beings like you.”
Peace and Blessings.
Response from: Gordon Submitted on 2013/10/01 at 10:12 pm
Jesus being crucified on the cross and shedding his blood for the Salvation of the world was his plan. You need to understand the bible and Christianity for it to make sense to you.
You say that you are a Muslim, then you do not believe that Jesus was God in the flesh. Jesus is God, God is composed of a trinity, God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit.
It does not set an example for others to take the blame of others, because they are not God.
God loves us so much, that he came to earth in the flesh and sacrificed himself for us, to pay for all of our sins. He was and is perfect, the only one. That is how much he loves us. He loves us even though we are sinful and wicked. Did Muhammad do that? No! Did Allah do that? No!
Did Muhammad make any prophecies that have come to pass? No! Jesus Christ did. And they are still coming to pass even before our eyes. Isaiah 17:1 the destruction of Damascus, is happening now. Isaiah 66:8 Israel shall become a nation in one day, fulfilled in 1948. Many, many others.
Was Muhammad resurrected and ascend into Heaven to be with the Father? No!
Muhammad himself said that he was not even sure if he would go to Heaven! What kind of god is that?
You will never understand the Word of God if you are unsaved. That’s it! God will open your eyes once you accept him as your Lord and Savior. But, I know that as a Muslim that is difficult to do, because you will be hunted down if you leave the Islamic faith. I know how it works.
I pray for all of the Muslims in the world, that Jesus himself would come to you in visions and dreams and show you the truth. That he may soften you hearts, and you will accept him as your personal Lord and Savior. Amen
God gave us all a free will to choose. You are very deceived by the Quran. It is full of lies.
I love you as a person, but I do not love your religion. It is very hateful, evil.
I pray for God to touch your heart and give you vision of the truth. Amen
God Bless! May Jesus Christ touch your heart.
Gordon: Addendum to first response
You say Islam is a religion of peace? Well I can prove that is a lie. Look at all of the murder, hate, torture, violence, jihad, evil, sodomy and violence Islam is creating.
How is that peaceful?
I can quote verse after verse from the Quran that teach Muslims to kill and hate. How is that peaceful? It’s not!
You can butter it up, coat it with sugar, but it is still what it is, evil.
Jesus never taught his followers to hate and kill, just the opposite is true.
If Muslims truly loved people in the world then they would stop their evil counterparts from committing such heinous acts of violence and evil in the world. Yet, nothing. You hear nothing from Muslims condemning the Muslims that are killing, torturing and committing horrible acts on men,women and children. Cutting off body parts while they are still alive, hanging people on meat hooks! Please. I am not an idiot. I can see what is happening. Open your eyes. Speak out against your fellow Muslims. Get angry. I do not hear any Muslims speaking out against these atrocities! That is not love and peace.
Jesus does not teach Christians to kill, murder, hate, torture or give any reference to war and battle. Why, because he is a God of love, kindness, mercy, forgiveness.
I have written several articles on the subject and posted many, many verses from the Quran, I didn’t even quote from the Hadith.
Please God I pray for forgiveness, mercy and kindness on the Muslims in the world. Please open their eyes to your truth and wisdom. May you fill their hearts with kindness and love.
Jesus will forgive you and give you peace. He is the only way to Heaven. He is now giving you a choice. He is knocking at your door. I strongly urge you to consider accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Time is short, we are living in the end times.
I agree that MUCH prayer is needed for all eyes to be opened to what Islam really is. And most importantly to who our Lord Jesus is. It is such a great deception to think that anyone could “earn” their way to Heaven or their salvation. Jesus tells us that NO ONE come to the Father except by the Son. The comment that was made by this anonymous person is really heartbreaking. Because they they believe in Jesus, but not as Lord and Savior. And that’s all the devil has to do to trap a soul, is to devalue His sacrifice, or remove His Lordship.
I totally agree! What deception in Islam. The Quran is filled with so much hatred and violence, not too mention the acts they are committing in the world today!
There’s no way one can understand the bible unless they are a follower of Jesus. He is the light that illuminates us into all truth. Jesus is the stumbling block for all because God’s plan for his son is beyond human reason. If God is such a revered prophet by the muslims than why are they murdering and persecuting Christians all over the world?
Good morning, I am quite new to this blog, but I would like to contribute to the discussion. Kudos to Gordon king may God bless your efforts more. First of all it is important to understand that God is a Spirit being and from time immemorial people offered sacrifice and offering to God for various reasons. For example, according to the Christian bible it was recorded that Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And The Lord respected Abel and his offering (Genesis 4:4) similarly, in (Genesis 22:1-2) now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham and said to him, “Abraham” and he said, “here I am” , then He said “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you”
However as God led the Israelites to the promised land he handed them a set of laws to establish a pattern of life for them and help them to be organized. One of those laws is the law of sin offering. God knew that the Israelites would not be able to keep the Ten Commandments perfectly so he established this law of sin offering as a way out of the consequence of sin that His wrath may not come upon them.This law required for anyone who had committed sin to bring an animal; a young bull, a goat or a lamb and shed its blood and offer up the animal as a sacrifice to God for that person to be cleansed. It is important to note here that blood must be shed for it has been written; ‘ and according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no remission’ (Hebrews 9:22) the consequence of that sin is then transferred to the animal while the guilty person goes away free, that is why the animal is then killed because the wages of sin is death.
It is also pertinent to note here that for the sacrificial animal to be acceptable by God it had to be without defects see (Leviticus 22: 19-20) ‘you shall offer of your own free will a male WITHOUT BLEMISH from the cattle, from the sheep or from the goats, whatever has a defect you shall not offer, for it SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTABLE On your behalf’ . Now think About this; will it be convenient today to offer an animal for sacrifice every single time someone sinned? The answer is no. ‘So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many’ (Hebrews 9:28)
I am happy in your post that you yourself agreed that Jesus was innocent and without sin. That is the reason that Jesus is the only way to salvation because only His shed blood was acceptable to God and we have been redeemed by his blood. Jesus offered his own life willingly and died on the cross after shedding his innocent blood because he was paying the penalty for your sins and mine which is death. In other words our sins were transferred to him like it was done in ancient Jewish tradition. But God resurrected Him on the third day to demonstrate his power over death. But you have to believe this in order to be saved. I hope this is all making sense to you.
In effect Jesus Christ was the sacrificial lamb of God. I believe Abraham unwittingly prophesied about this in (Genesis 22:8) when his son Isaac asked him about the animal for sacrifice Abraham said, my son, God will
Provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering. I also believe that Jesus might have been sacrificed on this same mountain. In all I pray that the good Lord will open your eyes and give you understanding. Amen
You might be wondering…why would anyone take up responsibility for another’s error to the extent of giving up his own life? The answer is Love. It was written in John 3:16 ‘for God so Loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.’ So the only condition here is for us to believe, confess and repent of our sins and do the commandments of God
Thank you for your contribution Chi! God Bless You!
If this muslim woman is truly interested in answers all she has to do is call upon the Lord to reveal himself to her as whatever we say to her she will not accept as she is so steeped in the muslim teachings. It’s rather interesting she talks about a “god who would kill an innocent being..” when the Koran is rife with killings as well what exists today in the killing of young girls who attend school etc. Her god in the Koran promotes lying and the killing of infidels. Our God is the complete opposite. Her mohammed never performed a miracle or came back to life. Our God has done both and is alive today. I know way back when I questioned what life was all about, in my desperate tears cried out to God, if you’re real, reveal yourself to me as I trust no one. And he did in a supernatural way to where I knew 100% that He was real and from that point on my life began to change. If she has questions she must pray to the Real God of the world.
Amen! God Bless!
Jesus is Lord of Lords, King of Kings, Alpha and Omega, Creator of the universe, the Lion of Judah and the Root of David who rules from the heavenly sanctuary. He is King eternal! Glory be unto His Throne of Mercy, Love and Justice.
Fear God and give Him glory, worship Him who created heaven and earth! Please people something is about to happen, return to true worship! Jesus is calling you!
How could someone state they follow Jesus and not believe he is God? That is not an option. He proclaimed Himself as God, allowed people to worship Him and forgave sins. To me, that leaves 3 possible outcomes: 1) He is God as He said, 2) He was a liar or 3) He was crazy. There is no room for he was a prophet or great teacher or great leader — He said He was God. If you don’t believe it how could you think he was a great anything?
Only when the Good Lord appears with all His glory, will the nation of Muslims know the truth of their ere.
If they believe Jesus was a prophet, a great man why don’t they follow His teachings of kindness, bearing love to fellow man? Do they not believe in John the Baptist? “As soon as Jesus was baptized he came up from the water, and suddenly the heavens opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming down on him. And a voice spoke from heaven, ‘This is my Son, the Beloved; my favour rests on him’.” (Matt.3:16,17) This alone shows He was greater than a man, a prophet.
Abraham was obedient to God, the God of love; respectful to God’s code of ethics.
God chastised Cain when he killed his brother Abel. Do they honestly think he will not chastise them? If they say they are a religion of good, in whose view, themselves? For surely they do not show their goodness. How is it that the world needs to be tolerant of them yet, they are not tolerant of other’s. Since time of old they’ve been fighting with God’s true nature and are blind to their own. Like I stated, only the Good Lord’s appearance will change their minds, unfortunately for them it will be too late. I pray they and anyone who doe not believe Jesus is the only way to life eternal to find the truth.
“If God is such a revered prophet by the muslims than why are they murdering and persecuting Christians all over the world?”
2″They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. 3″These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me.…”
In response to the Muslim woman
I’d like to say, that Jesus didn’t take upon the sin of others as a mere man, but as GOD in the flesh! He did what NO man could do. The punishment that Jesus took from us wasn’t that we wouldn’t suffer hardship here on earth but that we would not suffer eternal separation from God. Good people do suffer…..we see it worldwide! Innocent children suffer, Muslims and Christians alike suffer – injustice, sickness and wrong treatment from others. Good people – sin filled world. The whole world lies under the curse of the evil one right now and that is why there is so much suffering in the world.
As a Christian, I don’t believe that I avoid consequences of my sin by asking forgiveness. All sin has consequences but, God in his mercy forgives us when we (you and I) sin! I don’t deserve it and I can NEVER be good enough to stand in the presence of a holy God and that is why I need the blood of Jesus to cover me, cover my sin. (the shedding of blood for the remission of sins – the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! No more animal sacrifice needed, Jesus is the perfect Lamb, with out blemish!).
Then, when God looks at me, He looks at me THROUGH the blood and sees me as clean. There is nothing I can earn because I am in sinful flesh and will always fall short of the glory of God. My aim is to become Christlike in nature, and not willingly sin – but when I do, I can go to the mercy seat of God for cleansing and forgiveness and start over. I may suffer consequences of sin…. from feeling ashamed of myself, to having to go through a mess that I’ve created by my bad choices, but that won’t change the mercy and forgiveness of God toward me and I can walk in peace knowing He loves me.
This IS being a Christian….not spouting out my beliefs to everyone around me, but by being filled with the love of Christ and giving that love to a hurting world, be it Muslim, Hindu, Christian, American, Indian, African, child, adult, church goer, murderer, drug addict, etc….
I know you must be searching or you wouldn’t be looking here……you believe there is a God and that’s such a good place to be, but there is so much more! I pray you will find the One who already knows you by name, the One who created you in your mothers womb and who has all the hairs of your head counted! The One who ordained your days before there was but one!
He loves you soooooo much. I feel your heart…. you love God…… Ask Him, the One you loves already, to show you if Jesus is real or not? Then you can decide for yourself.
Why Jesus you ask? Because He IS the WAY (the road under our feet) that God made for us to come to Him by.
I will pray for you on your search.
We all want to know the truth, for in finding it, it will set us free!
Blessings poured out in abundance to you-
Teresa – born again believer in Jesus Christ
Thank You Teresa for your Words of Wisdom and Insight! These were much needed and I hope and pray they speak to the heart of the Muslim lady and all who need to hear this. God Bless You!
I think that her emotions have gotten in the way of the logic that God uses. There must be an atonement for sin. In the Old Covenant there was an animal sacrifice yearly, but that sacrifice only “covered” sin. It took Holy blood to wash away forever the sin of the people. Sin that will continue until we are finally that spotless bride.
The blood of Yeshua was and is Holy and fully capable of washing away our sin, He was and is the only accepted atonement. Even the Great Thanksgiving of Communion, Yeshua states the bread is His body and the wine His blood, symbolic of taking on His character, His heart and all of who He was and is.
As for Yeshua being God, He actually never says that He is. He prays to God and calls Him Father and further instructs His disciples when they pray to pray to our Father through His name Yeshua. We have three distinct personalities of Father, Son, Holy Ghost; yet all three share the same spirit.The three are one, the same heart and righteousness. On the Cross Yeshua cries out “Father why have you forsaken me?” Yeshua was and is fully human and fully divine. Yeshua further states that He does not know the hour or the day of His return, that only the Father knows. If we understand that there is only one true God, then we know it is our Father in heaven, who Himself spoke at Yeshua Baptism saying “This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”.
Thank you for your comment Godsproperty777. Jesus is the only way. But I must disagree with you when you say that Jesus never said that He was God. Although He never actually said the words: “I am God”, He did tell us that He is God, as does the bible.
He said: “I am”, “I and the Father are one”, “If you see me then you have seen the Father”.
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 20:28-29 “28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
God Bless my friend!
Take five minutes in a quiet room. Quiet your heart, and seek God’s answer as to whether Jesus is His Son, and whether Jesus did indeed die on the cross. God promised if we sought him with our whole heart, we would find Him. James 1:5 it also states, “If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.”
Without fault finding and with an open mind, and most importantly, with a quiet heart and in a quiet room, with one’s heart open, ask the Living God to show you the truth. He will. For He created the heavens and the earth; nothing is too hard for HIM.
I am not against any great soul. It is my opinion what I feel as truth. His disciples (mentioned in the Bible) were blamed for his suffering.
Jesus suffered on the cross because of the disciples who did not understand His preachings.
I don’t remeber their names.
1. All the disciples allowed their Guru to wash their feet.
2. One of the disciple caused Jesus arrest.
3. Another had denied being His disciple for thrice before a cock crowed on the night though he was forewarned by their Guru.
4. None of them protested against the trial of Jesus crucifixtion.
5. When He reappeared they were suspicious about Jesus being a ghost.
6. Only they accepted His resurrection only when they felt Him and His words.
7. But they lived by projecting their shortcomings as the sacrifice of Jesus for sinners.
This is the quantum of truth in preaching the Gospel to the world.
You are wrong Nath. His disciples were not blamed for His suffering. He did not die on the cross because of His disciples Nath! You do not know Christianity Nath, yet you speak words as if you do.
You do not understand Jesus Christ, God Almighty, or the faith. You are blinded to the truth!
Jesus came into this world in order to save the world Nath. He came to die on the cross, this was all preplanned, predestined Nath! No one could have changed it or stopped it. It was God’s plan.
This is what Christianity is Nath, it is our Lord and Savior loving us so much, that He gave His only begotten Son to die for us on the cross, to give us eternal life with Him forever! It has nothing to do with how his disciples treated Him, nothing! It is about believing it, believing in Him or not, it’s your choice.
But don’t try and twist the scriptures, twist the truth, this is from Satan himself! Oh, and Jesus is not a “Guru”, that is from your Hindu god.
Thank you so much Stefanie for your words of insight and encouragement. If a person has an open mind and a softened heart then he or she can find the truth. But sadly to say, many do not and shall not find the truth. They need our prayers to hear and believe!
God Bless sister!
Jesus is revered in Islam but only as a prophet like Mohamed, but classified as a lesser prophet way down the ladder, and they believe that all of his sayings have been corrupted by the Christians.. Mary is in greater reverence than Jesus.
Though most strains of Islam have a belief in the Mahdi, Shiites traditionally believe he is Mohammed ibn Hasan, the 12th in the line of imams who were descendents of the prophet Mohammed. Though they do not know when the Mahdi will return, they believe he will come to end the misery of his people. Some strains of Islam even hold a belief that Jesus will be the Mahdi who will return and proclaim Islam as the true religion.
But this is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. This is a Islamic Jesus. Anti-Christ
Hi Gordon, Thank you for your steadfastness regarding the truth of who Jesus is. I haven’t chimed in for a long time but keep an eye on your site for the articles.
Come Lord Jesus Come, take your bride away, our souls long for YOU.
I do sincerely hope and pray that you are doing well and are blessed.
Hello brother Ehtin!
It’s been a while, good to hear from you! I’ve been wondering how you have been doing? I hope and pray well.
Life certainly has its challenges and they seem to just keep on coming. One would hope that they would eventually cease and that life would get better, and they will once our life on this earth is finished. When I think that my life is difficult then I need to stop and take a look at what the apostles went through, all the way to their death!
Trials and tribulations will keep on coming our way until the good Lord comes to take us home. And even though we may suffer a little while on this earth we are blessed because we have eternal hope and salvation, we have Jesus Christ! This is what keeps me going brother, its the only thing that keeps me going.
God bless! Maranatha!
Thank your words of comfort, they minister to me. Those who have gone on before us have had their cross to bear. This flesh that wraps our body can be a cruel taskmaster and can serve up a hard dose of pain. I would gladly offer up my life to go on over to meet the Lord in eternity if it be His will, but it must be his will and not mine. The Holy Spirit is my support and minute by minute comforter. Many are the times when sins and wrong attitudes come forth in reflection and the grace of the Lord Jesus upholds me in times of attacks of condemnation from the devil. I am now suffering 10 years of chronic planter fasciitis in both feet. Even though shoe orthotics have made it possible for me to get around a little, 10 years of setting and not moving has taken a horrible toll on my body.
Our sufferings are Treasures in Jars of Clay
2nd. Cor. 4: 6Therefore we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, yet our inner self is being renewed day by day. 17For our light and temporary affliction is producing for us an eternal glory that far outweighs our troubles. 18So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.…
Berean Study Bible
Gordon, I am glad that you are continuing with this site, it seems that many have grown cold to watching biblical prophecy. Since the passing of Billy Graham and Chuck Missler and others, the imminency of Christ’s return and all the biblical signs are not being preached as much.
There are more end time prophetic events happening now than ever before.
Thanks for your comments Ethin!
All believers will suffer in this life, and as I said before it seems like many suffer more than others, I’m not sure if its true, but is sure seems like it and I don’t have an answer as to why?
I am praying for the good Lord to take away your pain and to heal your afflictions. Like you quoted from scripture, our “temporary light afflictions” are just that, temporary. Although while we are living with them they sure don’t seem temporary and they can be extremely painful! But in the light of eternity they are very temporary, and our refining as with precious metals in fire produces within us something that is much more precious than Gold, and it brings with it eternal glory to God Almighty!
The year 2018 has brought some very significant events with it, very prophetic events, and along with that comes the passing of two great preachers of God’s word, Billy Graham and Chuck Missler! I loved listening to both of them preach and I still do. Chuck Missler had such a powerful way of explaining the scriptures, of giving perspective, of really getting into the details, the meat of God’s word. Could it be that the passing of both of these great men in the same year, within a couple of months of each other, be a sign of the times, a sign of the closeness of Christ’s return?
I am led by the Holy Spirit to continue with this site, to continue spreading God’s word, to warn people of what is soon coming, to share biblical events that are happening right before our very eyes, yet so many do not see! Life is a struggle, its not easy, but I must continue to do what I can for the Lord, even more so the closer we get to the rapture of the church!
God bless brother! Maranatha!