—– The Rapture of the Church! Pre-Tribulation View —–

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By: Gordon King  (Updated 4/19/2015; Isaiah 26:20-21; the Jewish wedding feast)

Many Christians believe that Jesus will return in the clouds and take his church (Christians) up from the earth to meet him.  They shall ascend into heaven with the Lord until Jesus is ready to return on earth for his second coming!  The rapture is not the second coming of Christ.  Jesus never touches down on earth, but meets the believers in the clouds.

This is known as “The Rapture of the Church”.

Although the Bible does not mention the word “Rapture”, it does speak of Jesus coming in the clouds to take those in Christ with him.   And that they shall remain with him forever.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trumpet of God.  And the dead in Christ will rise first.  Then, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.  And thus we shall always be with the Lord.  18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

When the New Testament was written in Greek (I don’t know the language of the 1st writing) it used the word “harpagesometha”, translated into Latin is “rapere”, translated into English is “rapture”.   The meaning of which is “shall be caught up”.  That is where the term “The Rapture” came from.  So even though the word rapture is not mentioned in the Bible, it has the same meaning as “shall be caught up”.

I believe that God has given us enough evidence that supports the rapture of his church.  Whether or not it is Pre-tribulation, Mid-tribulation or Post-tribulation we shall soon find out.  I am not writing this to argue the point or to judge anyone for their belief.  Only to point out that the bible clearly states that God will rapture the church.  I do however, believe in a Pre-tribulation rapture.  No one knows for certain.  We do see the signs all around us.  That is why we must be ready at all times!

Why do I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church?  These are my scriptural reasons.

I believe that in Revelation chapter four when the voice John heard (like a trumpet) called him up to Heaven, that this represents the rapture of the church (Pre-Tribulation).

Revelation 4   “After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

2Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald.”

The first three chapters of Revelation refer to the churches.  After that the saints are not mentioned as being on earth until chapter 20.  Revelation 4:1-2 seem to be referring to John being raptured to Heaven.  The voice was like a trumpet, and I will show you what must take place after this (after the rapture).  Could this represent the rapture of the church?  I believe that it is.  

The voice told John in Revelation 4:1,

“Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

Things which must take place after this”.  “After this” is referring to what I believe to be the rapture.  What else would it be?  After what else?  Nothing else occurred before that.  His body was changed into a spiritual body and then he ascended into Heaven.  That is exactly what will happen to the church at the rapture.

1 Corinthians also tells us of a mystery, the rapture of the church.  However, just because it mentions “the last trumpet”, does not mean that this is the seventh trumpet in Revelation.  As a matter of fact it is not, as I will show you there are other trumpets mentioned throughout the bible.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (NKJV)

 51 “Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

Revelation 1:10 tells us that God has “a loud voice as of a trumpet”.

Revelation 1:10  10 “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and,“What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia.”

This trumpet of God is also spoken of in Exodus 19, and in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

Exodus 19 (NKJV)

Israel at Mount Sinai

16 “Then it came to pass on the third day, in the morning, that there were thunderings and lightnings, and a thick cloud on the mountain; and the sound of the trumpet was very loud, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled. 17 And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. 18 Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire. Its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain[a] quaked greatly. 19 And when the blast of the trumpet sounded long and became louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him by voice. 20 Then the Lord came down upon Mount Sinai, on the top of the mountain. And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.”

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)

16″For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.  18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

These trumpets spoken of are the voice of God Himself, not of the seven trumpets sounded by the seven angels in Revelation. 

The trumpet of God in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is the same trumpet in Revelation 4:1.   It did not state that it was one of the seven judgment trumpets of Revelation beginning in chapter eight.  It said the voice like a trumpetRevelation 4:1 said that John heard a voice like a trumpet call him up; the trumpet of God or the voice of God.   The trumpets beginning in Revelation 8 are seven trumpets blown by seven angels as part of God’s judgements not God’s voice, that is the difference.  

Also, Paul says to “comfort one another with these words”, well, if we are to be raptured after or during the tribulation, how is that a comfort.  What I believe he means is to comfort one another because Jesus is going to come and rapture the church before the tribulation.  That is comforting to know.

Revelation 4:4 also mentions “24 elders with white robes and crowns of gold”.  Sounds to me like Christian elders.  If so they must have been raptured or they would not have robes or crowns yet.  They shall not receive their robes or crowns until the Judgment seat of Christ, which will not take place until all of the believers are together with Christ.  This event could not have happened yet unless the rapture of the church has taken place already.

Revelation 4:4-5

4 “Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices.  Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.”

The apostle Paul and John both tell us that we are “not appointed to wrath“, that we will “be delivered”, and “kept from the trial which shall come upon the whole world”.

1 Thessalonians 1:10  “and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.”

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10  9″ For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.”

Revelation 3:10   10″ Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.”

If Jesus delivers us from “the wrath to come” and keep us from “the hour of trial upon the whole world” then we will not be on earth.  How else will we be “kept from” or “delivered from”?  And where would we be kept or delivered to?  The only thing that makes any sense whatsoever is that we are no longer here on earth.

Once again, in Revelation 6:11, saints who were slain for the word of God were given white robes.  This will not happen until “all” of the Christians are together with Christ.  However, we must realize that there will be new convert Christians at the end of the tribulation period.  However, they shall not be changed into immortal bodies because they must repopulate the earth for the one thousand year reign of Christ.

Revelation 6:10-11   9″ When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.  10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.”

These were Christians murdered for their beliefs in Christ.  They were given white robes.  Will we receive white robes at any time in heaven, or will we receive them at the judgment seat of Christ?  I believe that we will receive them after the rapture of the church as you will see below in Revelation 7:9-10.

First Seal: The Conqueror, Second Seal: Conflict on Earth , Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth, Fourth Seal: Widespread Death.  Well, I see these things happening now.

Revelation 6:12-17   12″I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.  13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.  14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.  15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!  17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

These verses talk about the Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances.   This has not happened yet.  Notice the bold words “every slave and every free man” hid themselves from the face of God and the wrath of the Lamb.  This could not include Christians for they would welcome God not hide from him.  The rapture has had to of occurred before the sixth seal.

Revelation 7:9-10  9″ After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

These verses are very obvious and are speaking about the saints, Christians in Heaven.  The rapture has definitely taken place.  These verses are after the mention of the sixth seal, before the sounding of the trumpets or pouring out of the bowls.

Revelation 7:13-17   13″Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.  15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.  16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;  17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.  And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

Once again, the mention of the saints in Heaven.  They came out of the great tribulation, therefore they are not going through the great tribulation.

We only need to read and study scripture to find out how God does things.  Many of the things yet to come are a reflection of things gone by, a shadowing of past events.  The following verses speak of God’s people entering chambers to hide from the wrath of God.

Isaiah 26:20-21

20 Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past.
21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; The earth will also disclose her blood, And will no more cover her slain.”

Verse 20 of Isaiah 26 tells God’s people to enter their chambers, shut the doors and hide themselves until the Wrath of God is past.  If you know anything about Jewish weddings, after the initial wedding ceremony the groom and the bride spend seven days in chamber (chador) to consummate their marriage.  I believe that this “seven day” period also represents the seven year tribulation period.

Verse 21 of Isaiah 26 tells us of God’s wrath upon the world.  During this time the church has already been removed from the earth for the wedding ceremony of Jesus and His church! 

When the groom is asked when will you arrive for your bride, he always responds: “Only my father knows the time”.  Jesus also tells us that only His Father in heaven knows the time.  The ancient Jewish wedding is a representation of the wedding of Jesus Christ and His church or His bride.  Why would He do it any differently?  This gives us many clues as to when the rapture of the church will be, and when the wedding and feast will occur.


Jewish Wedding Customs and the Bride of Messiah

Revelation 3:10

“10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.”

This page will be updated periodically.  So check back once in a while to check for updates.  Studying the word of God is a process in which new information is revealed and understood.  We shall never truly know all regarding God’s word, but we should not keep from trying.  God Bless and continue searching His word.

Revelation Outline

*Revelation 1-3                       John addresses the Churches.

*Revelation 4                          John raptured into Heaven.

*Revelation 4-19                     No mention of the church only saints in Heaven.

*Revelation 5-11                     Scroll with Seven Seals and Seven Trumpets are executed.

*Revelation 7                         Sealing of the One Hundred and Forty Four Thousand.


Parenthetical Chapters

*Revelation 12-13         

                                     Mark of the Beast

                                     Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes (Jesus).

                                     Great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns  (Lucifer, the fallen Angel).

                                     Beast with seven heads and ten horns  (World Empire led by Satan).

                                     Scarlet colored beast (possibly the Apostate church).

                                     Beast with two horns like the lamb, but speaks like the dragon  (Anti-christ)


*Revelation 14                      One Hundred and Forty Four Thousand Redeemed.

*Revelation 15-16                  Introduction to and Pouring out of Vials ( Wrath).


Parenthetical Chapters

*Revelation 17-18                 The judgment of “the great whore.”  ( Babylon ).


*Revelation 19                      Marriage to the church.

*Revelation 20-22                 Millennium and Eternity.


God Bless!   Accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior!         😉


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33 thoughts on “—– The Rapture of the Church! Pre-Tribulation View —–

  1. I LOVE this post! I am also a pre-trib believer. Certainly hope it is pre-trib because the way this world is going, nothing is going to be a pretty sight!

  2. Thanks for stopping by! I am glad that you love the post. I hear so many Christians doubt and speak out against a pre-tribulation rapture. That is one of the main reasons that I wrote this post. Search the bible and study the scriptures. The evidence for a pre-trib rapture is overwhelming.

    God Bless! 🙂

  3. But GDk, The evidence for pre-trib is NOT overwhelming though I repect your point of view. I have been a student of Bible prophecy for over 30 years. The “strong delusion” spoken of in the Bible may very well be connected to the UFO phenonenon. The words are actually “energia planos” in the Greek. What if another Christ (Anti-Christ) were to come down and claim he is the one everyone is waiting for? Many will fall away from the faith while some who know the word and know their God know of the fallen Angels of Genesis 6. I pray you see where I am coming from. Many are waiting for an event that is not going to happen and when it doesn’t many will fall for “a lie”. See what the lie is. There is even the possibility that the “mark” will have somewhat to do with extending the life of those that recieve it due to genetic manipulation included in the package. Look at this point of view as what we may be faced with. Look for a rapture…but look at what may be ahead if you are wrong in your view. Don’t be decieved if you are wrong. Godbless

  4. If you are a Christian, then you know that Jesus will not return to the earth until “after” which you spoke of in your last comment. If the rapture does not happen, then we must be ready. However, we should be ready now. How do you know and why are you so certain there will not be a pre-trib rapture? And what scripture says that there will not be a rapture or that it will be at a different point in time? I need some scripture to see your point of view. I can point out many verses from scripture that do lead one to believe in a pre-trib rapture of the church. Read my “rapture” page.

    I have also been studying the scriptures for many years. This is what God through his Spirit has led me to believe in.

    We must continue to study the bible and seek the truth and wisdom. I appreciate your comments and point of view.

    God Bless!

  5. The first resurrection is not in chronological order, all of scripture is not in chronological order. Much of scripture is not clearly written and must be compared to other scripture. The first resurrection takes place in several stages, not all at once. Jesus was the first stage.

  6. [Interesting discussion. Check out what I ran across not long ago on the informative net.]

    Pretrib Rapture Pride

    by Bruce Rockwell

    Pretrib rapture promoters like Thomas Ice give the impression they know more than the early Church Fathers, the Reformers, the greatest Greek New Testament scholars including those who produced the KJV Bible, the founders of their favorite Bible schools, and even their own mentors!
    Ice’s mentor, Dallas Sem. president John Walvoord, couldn’t find anyone holding to pretrib before 1830 – and Walvoord called John Darby and his Brethren followers “the early pretribulationists” (RQ, pp. 160-62). Ice belittles Walvoord and claims that several pre-1830 persons, including “Pseudo-Ephraem” and a “Rev. Morgan Edwards,” taught a pretrib rapture. Even though the first one viewed Antichrist’s arrival as the only “imminent” event, Ice (and Grant Jeffrey) audaciously claim he expected an “imminent” pretrib rapture! And Ice (and John Bray) have covered up Edwards’ historicism which made a pretrib rapture impossible! Google historian Dave MacPherson’s “Deceiving and Being Deceived” for documentation on these and similar historical distortions.
    The same pretrib defenders, when combing ancient books, deviously read “pretrib” into phrases like “before Armageddon,” “before the final conflagration,” and “escape all these things”!
    BTW, the KJV translators’ other writings found in London’s famed British Library (where MacPherson has researched) don’t have even a hint of pretrib rapturism. Is it possible that Ice etc. have found pretrib “proof” in the KJV that its translators never found?
    Pretrib merchandisers like Ice claim that nothing is better pretrib proof than Rev. 3:10. They also cover up “Famous Rapture Watchers” (on Google) which shows how the greatest Greek NT scholars of all time interpreted it.
    Pretrib didn’t flourish in America much before the 1909 Scofield Bible which has pretribby “explanatory notes” in its margins. Not seen in the margins was jailed forger Scofield’s criminal record throughout his life that David Lutzweiler has documented in his recent book “The Praise of Folly” which is available online.
    Biola University’s doctrinal statement says Christ’s return is “premillennial” and “before the Tribulation.” Although universities stand for “academic freedom,” Biola has added these narrow, restrictive phrases – non-essentials the founders purposely didn’t include in their original doctrinal statement when Biola was just a small Bible institute! And other Christian schools have also belittled their founders.
    Ice, BTW, has a “Ph.D” issued by a tiny Texas school that wasn’t authorized to issue degrees! Ice now says that he’s working on another “Ph.D” via the University of Wales in Britain. For light on the degrees of Ice’s scholarliness, Google “Bogus degree scandal prompts calls to wind up University of Wales,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “be careful in polemics – Peripatetic Learning,” and “Walvoord Melts Ice.” Also Google “Thomas Ice (Hired Gun)” – featured by media luminary Joe Ortiz on his Jan. 30, 2013 “End Times Passover” blog.
    Other fascinating Google articles include “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “X-raying Margaret,” “Edward Irving in Unnerving,” “Pretrib Rapture Politics,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrets,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” and “Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism” – most from the author of “The Rapture Plot,” the most accurate documentation on pretrib rapture history.
    Can anyone guess who the last proud pretrib rapture holdout will be?
    (Postscript: For another jolt or two Google “The Background Obama Can’t Cover Up.”)

  7. Max:
    The harvest will transpire after the 7th trump. All will see Him–not secretly.
    Albert, wary weary watchman

  8. Shepherds Anderson and Jimenez did a valuable lesson re’ Darby’s sclocky doctrine and the greed of the high rollers of the mega-churches. Look at these scriptures pertaining this apostate:

    Jeremiah 5 (KJV):
    30) A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
    31) a] The prophets prophesy falsely,
    b] and the priests bear rule by their means;
    c] and my people love [to have it] so:
    d] and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    Malachi 2 (ESV):
    7) For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
    8) But you have turned aside from the way. You have caused many to stumble by your instruction.
    9) You have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the LORD of hosts,and so I make you despised and abased before all the people, inasmuch as you do not keep my ways but show partiality in your instruction.

    Jerry 5 (Americana):
    30) An apostasy was foist on Amerika in the year of 1830;
    31) a] The leaders of seminaries forged a cryptic doctrine;
    b] and the shepherds were forced to follow their orders;
    c] and the congregations loved the sweetly simple scripture;
    d] and how will they prepare in the advent of the end times?

    Mal 2 (Americana):
    7) “For the preachers must preserve knowledge pristine, for they are the voice of JHVH and the people should seek the highest wisdom.”
    8) But you dabbled with the occult and have lead the people to perdition, and God is sad and angry with you.
    9) “So I allowed the nations to perceive you as the ‘Ugly American’, because you love lucre more than the straight highway leading to the narrow gate to the everlasting which you may never see.”
    Albert, weary wary watchman

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  10. “Jesus never touches down on earth, but meets the believers in the clouds.”
    I thought He comes in the clouds on a horse, and kills a whole army?

  11. Jesus meets the believers in the clouds at the rapture. Jesus comes back in the clouds on a white horse with all of the saints at His second coming, for the battle of Armageddon. These are two separate events.
    God Bless!

  12. I think there’s nothing in the Bible to suggest that He came on two separate occasions? Whether it states that He will come in the clouds with great power and great glory (Matt 24:30), or it states that He will come riding a horse with eyes of flame, an army and a sword proceeding from His mouth (Rev 19:11-16)…Don’t you agree it could still be the very same occasion being described? He can come in the clouds on a horse with a huge heavenly army, and that is certainly a very powerful and very glorious return. Right?

    Which scripture suggests He comes on two distinct occasions, and what are the differences between the two occasions? By distinct, I mean that beyond a shade of doubt, anyone reading can separate the two. Right now I see no reason why “coming in the clouds”, “His people being caught up in the clouds” and Him “coming on a horse with an army” need to be different occasions. Surely we can still be caught up in the clouds and changed, while He rides on a horse with a big army and destroys 200,000,000 soldiers with a sword from His mouth…

    It’s like if I say someone at a party was very beautiful and elegant. Then you might ask me, “Well what do you mean”? And then I go into detail and tell you, “She wore a blue silk dress, and she walked with a straight perfect posture, and when she spoke she had a sonorous voice”. I’m still describing her appearance at the same event, but I’ve gone into detail.

  13. Gordon- Thank you for one of the most concise explanations of the pre-tribulation rapture view I’ve ever read. One of the questions I had for a long time was, where is the Rapture, described in I & II Thessalonians, linked to the book of Revelation? One morning, it hit me that Rev. 4:1 was a picture of John being raptured, as you have described. Because this event occurs simultaneously for all watchful believers in Jesus’ return, this passage meshes with the idea of the entire Church being snatched up or caught away from God’s horrendous judgment of the sin of the people of the earth at that time- in Revelation! You also touched on the essential point of the comfort this gives believers. While there may be some merit in the martyrdom of the Church, we have to consider that since the Author & Finisher of our faith is God Himself, He deserves the glory in any case {whether refining- a person is tortured & killed for His name, or rapture- one escapes an evil world & is married to Christ. Revelation shows that both outcomes result in the person experiencing the glory of heaven, walking with God}. From this view, if one chooses to die in this way it is but a simple, appropriate, response- a statement of the priority that one’s relationship with God means & deserves. In other words, one cannot save himself by becoming a martyr. If his martyrdom is required, he is saved by choosing & believing Christ rather than Satan {or in the Great Tribulation- his beastly mark}. We are undeserving of Christ’s amazing Agape sacrifice that purchased & cemented His relationship with us for all time.
    In the Gospels, Christ often sounds very much like a loving bridegroom. He also warned his followers to be watchful. Isn’t it more logical that He was telling Christians to watch for our coming marriage rather than a coming vicious judgment? Would a bridegroom cause or allow that to happen to his bride & for what purpose? As born again believers we already have abundant life, free of sin & guilt {Rom 8}. It makes no sense for God to now judge all waiting believers after He already redeemed them in Christ on the cross & lead them back toward fear. The bible calls Satan the accuser, who causes fear. God is perfect Love, Who casts out all fear.

  14. Thank you K.C. for your kind words of encouragement. It is true that we cannot be saved by becoming martyrs for Christ or anyone else for that matter. However, in Islam you can be saved according to their text, by becoming a martyr. Accepting Jesus is the only way! Amen

    We shall be persecuted for His name sake, however, persecution does not mean that we will endure the Tribulation period, or at least the “Great Tribulation” period, or the wrath of God. Paul give us much information in 1 Thessalonians 5:

    1 Thessalonians 5

    New King James Version (NKJV)
    The Day of the Lord
    5 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

    Paul tells us that when “they” say peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon “them”. He then goes on to tell us that “they” shall not escape. He is speaking of those that are in darkness, the “unbelievers”. He tells us that we are the “sons of light” and “sons of the day”. He tells us to watch and be sober. In verse 9 he tells us that God did not appoint “us” to wrath but “salvation”.

    This is what I believe Paul is telling us. That sudden destruction (the wrath of God) will come upon unbelievers suddenly, quickly, without notice. That if believers were still here on earth, we would also suffer the wrath. Just as God lets it rain upon the good, it also rains on the wicked; the sun shines on the good, but it also shines on the wicked. How then, if believers were still here, could he pour out His wrath only on unbelievers without it effecting the believers?

    Paul tells us to “watch”. We are told by Jesus Himself to watch and be ready. To be a watchman on the wall, to warn others of what is coming, in order to save lost souls. It is also a wake up call to the church. Paul tells us to be “sober”. For the truly righteous and believers are sober, the drunkards are unbelievers, sons of darkness and night. They shall endure the wrath of God.

    Verse 9 clearly states that the “wrath” of God is not for believers, but to obtain salvation through Jesus Christ. So in order for us to escape the wrath of God, we must not be here. Hence, the “rapture” of the church! This is another reason that I believe in either a pre-trib or mid-trib rapture of the church. Depending upon when God pours out His wrath upon the earth.

    God Bless!

  15. I find it interesting that you spend so much time trashing Thomas Ice & his academic credentials. In his article, “The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3” {http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/TheRapturein2Thessalonians2_3.html}, he & other biblical scholars make the claim that there was a mistranslation of the Greek word “apostasia” from it’s early meaning of “departure” in multiple early New Testament translations {first published up through the year 1608} to the words “falling away” in the King James & many subsequent versions. This scholarship indicates that the early church through the mid to late 1700’s had a unified rapture view in both books to the Thessalonians. I found it fascinating that substituting the word departure or rapture in this verse makes the entire text cohesive & further demonstrates that Paul wrote 2 Thessalonians in order to clarify what he stated in 1 Thessalonians. In the face of death, this is a comforting concept of the believer’s physical resurrection & includes the snatching away of those that are watchful before a widespread horrific Great Tribulation judgment for sins comes upon an unbelieving world.

  16. MAX: Yes, at the 7th trumpet…Revelation is not written in chronological order. It’s true the church is not appointed to the wrath of GOD, however we left out some very important information.
    The first set of judgments (the SEALS) and the second set of judgments (the TRUMPETS) are for the saved and the unsaved. They are the wrath of Satan. After the 7th Trumpet JESUS will appear in the clouds for all to see. He will not touch the earth, as the Bible tells us we will meet him in the air. The dead will rise from their graves and the ones who are alive at that time will “rise up” and meet the LORD in the air. The wrath of GOD is the last set of judgments which are the (BOWL/VIAL) judgments. When it says we are not appointed to the wrath of GOD that is what it means, the last 7 judgments. The church will be “raptured” just prior to the last 7 judgments and they will come upon all the sinners who did not repent and accept JESUS.
    The bible DOES NOT support a pre-trib rapture. Unfortunately millions won’t be prepared physically, mentally, or spiritually. They just think they won’t be here to suffer under the reign of the Antichrist and that IS NOT supported by scripture. JESUS suffered. He also prayed to the FATHER to protect the ones that were given to him but not to remove them.
    There is no secret rapture! The scriptures say that every eye will see him, every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that He is JESUS CHRIST the LORD. JESUS told us in Matthew 24, Don’t be deceived. Could it be the church has been deceived? Read Revelation and find the part where it tells about the two witnesses and right after that it tells us that at the 7th Trumpet the LORD JESUS takes possession of the earth from Satan. The Kingdoms of this world have now become the Kingdom of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST and he will reign forever and ever. That is when He comes…

  17. The next time the LORD will appear will be in the “CLOUDS”. He will “not” touch the earth. The graves will open at that time, the people who were saved (that were as JESUS said), “sleeping”, they will rise up to meet the LORD in the air, and the ones on earth who are still alive will be “caught up” at that same time to meet them and all of them will be with the LORD forever after that. He will be returning with his host of heavenly ANGELS, a multitude of them. They are not the saints that had died, but Angels.
    THEN, 1,000 years later the LORD will return with his “SAINTS” that had been in Heaven with him (in the Kingdom of GOD). He will at this time “touch the ground”. That is the battle, that is when he rides on a white horse, that is when he slays his enemies. It’s two different times. First to get his church, the saved, the Christians, the body of CHRIST, and secondly for the battle. The rider on the first white horse in the beginning (of Revelation), is the Antichrist, and the second rider on a white horse is JESUS, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The first rider is an imposter, the second one on the white horse is the real JESUS!!!
    Comments are welcome, but the Bible does not lie, the truth is the truth.
    When you know the truth, the truth will set you free. Amen…

  18. YES, you are so right GORDON that the events are separate. First time he does not touch the ground, we (the ones who were in their graves and the living) meet the LORD in the air. He will come with his Angels. Then the second time he is going to step foot on the ground for all to see (the second coming). That time he will have the saints in heaven with him.

  19. Yes I believe they are two different events. However, I do not agree with you on the timing of the events. I believe that we are now in the “church age”, and the last 7 years is the “Tribulation” period, a time set for the Jews, not the church. I believe the rapture to be pre-trib, for the most important thing Christ told us the “imminency” of His return. The church has gone through persecution and tribulation for two thousand years, there is no need for the church to be in the “Tribulation” period. Jesus washed us clean with His blood, there is no other way. Then after this 7 year period Jesus will come for all to see with all of His saints and touch down on the earth. Then after defeating the enemy, He will reign for 1000 years.
    God Bless my friend!

  20. God is a loving father who is willing to save his bride (the church) and since he had judge all our past, present, future sins on the body of his son Jesus Christ, why should he judge us again? For he remembers our sins no more (Hebrews 10:17) All anger wrath he has purged on Christ as he became the substitute for us. Then when we accept the gift of salvation, we are washed white as snow.
    From Isaiah 26: 19-20.
    19 Your dead shall live [O Lord]; the bodies of our dead [saints] shall rise. You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For Your dew [O Lord] is a dew of [sparkling] light [heavenly, supernatural dew]; and the earth shall cast forth the dead [to life again; for on the land of the shades of the dead You will let Your dew fall].
    20 Come, my people, enter your chambers and shut your doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until the [Lord’s] wrath is past.

  21. It is an evil generation that seeks for a sign. My advice;accept Christ totally and stick to salvation.it is irrelevant to know the time of either 1st or 2nd coming……Jesus is Lord!!

  22. Thanks for your comment BEN!

    If we should not be aware of the coming of Christ or the signs of the times, then why does Jesus Himself tell us to be watching? Why does He give us the signs to look for if it were not important? Should we ignore what the Lord is telling us to do?

    God bless!

  23. Though I gave my life to the Lord under the AOG umbrella, I never accepted the pre-tribulation rapture and the doctrine of speaking in tongues as the initial physical evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    The reason number one that I still do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture is that there is only one Church of Jesus Christ (it is not the Latter-Day Saints movement). Paul states that God made one people out of two people. If Jesus is coming to Rapture His Church before the Tribulation Period, then He will be marrying an incomplete Church because God will save people during such period. In addition, the fact that Jesus is coming in the clouds of heaven parallels with Matthew. Paul does not imply, explicitly or implicitly, that Jesus is going back to heaven after His saints are caught up in the air. The imminent return of Jesus Christ doctrine was something that the first-century Christians believed and you can verify that when Paul says that no all would die.

    Jesus stated in Matthew that He would send His angels to gather His elect. To justify the pre-tribulation period, many Christians refer to the “elect” as the Jewish people.

    If there is nothing that needs to happen, for the pre-tribulation rapture to happen, then we have violated previous prophecies in which God always predict the events that lead to such event. It makes no biblical sense that God is waiting on nothing to happen for that event to occur.

    When people use Paul’s statement that we are not destined for wrath but for salvation and apply that to the pre-tribulation rapture, we are violating biblical hermeneutics because even God’s people in the story of Exodus were not destined for wrath but for salvation. However, they endured the first three of the ten plagues God poured on Egypt; it was after the third plague that God made a separation between His people and the Egyptians.

    If we take a close examination to the story of Exodus, we will find an amazing parallelism with the Gospel of Christ. God saved the Jewish nation from Egypt as an act of grace, just as under the New Covenant. They went through the wilderness for God to test them just as the New Covenant in which are faith is tested. The Promised Land could be used as an analogy to what we call glorification.

    We often preach/teach about salvation containing three stages: 1) justification, 2) sanctification, and 3) glorification. However, when it comes “Once Saved, Always Saved” and “Pre-Tribulation” doctrines, we throw the 3-stage salvation out the window.

  24. Ben, if the timing is not important then what Jesus said about the signs of His Coming are irrelevant. If what Jesus said is irrelevant, then so is Jesus.

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